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Baldrick1
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Re: Hot Spot

@shutter 

Is that a M.2 SSD that I see in the area in question? If so, that would be my guess as being the source. Have you checked the spec of it to see if you are inadvertently overclocking it.

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Re: Hot Spot

@Baldrick1  The pics of the main board etc, are screen shots from the you tube video... not of this actual machine.. BUT.. i suspect it has the same SSD as it is the same model numbers.

Don`t know about "overclocking"... nor how to check the spec... as this is a 2nd user machine..  but it has always had this "hot spot"... just thought it was about time I tried to do something about it.

Any advice re checking the spec / overclocking ( reverting back to normal clocking ) gratefully received, so long as it is in easy to follow steps ! .

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Re: Hot Spot

@shutter 

You need the part number of the SSD. Obviously you can't read the label as you've now reassembled the laptop. I don't know about Linux but can you run a freebie such as Belarc Advisor under Wine or find a Linux equivalent. If you then run a speed test you can see how close to the limit that it is running.This should be automatically configured but you never know.

Possible Apps to see how fast the drive is running see: https://www.makeuseof.com/ways-test-ssd-speed-performance/

My system drive SSD CrystalMark results:

C Drive.jpg

The other thing is that the SSD might be failing. Many years ago I had a PC with a twin core AMD processor. Once the core temperature on one of the processors got to about 55°C it went into thermal run away. In about a minute the core temperature shot up to above 120°C (the other stayed cool) and the computer crashed. The PC would work all day with the covers off but just putting them back on - bonk, dead. Let it cool down and away it would go again.

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Re: Hot Spot

OK @Baldrick1  thanks for that... will get on it later on..  Smiley

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Re: Hot Spot

@shutter 

Try in a terminal window list all hardware and vendor details

inxi -F

extract for drives

Drives: Local Storage: total: 1.94 TiB used: 1.30 TiB (67.0%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Kingston model: SA400S37120GB size: 111.79 GiB
ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Seagate model: ST32000542AS size: 1.82 TiB
ID-3: /dev/sdc type: USB vendor: Kingston model: DataTraveler 2.0 size: 7.32 GiB

HTH

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@Baldrick1  OK.. from the link, I used the Terminal instructions and here is a copy of the page.. Top part is the one that the author of the page did on his machine....

bottom is my terminal result..... which shows that my machine ssd is running (546)  slightly faster than his  (543)!..

ssd speed test.png

 

 

@Dan_the_Van 

 

Here is the full page of inxi -F

 

ssd inxi -F terminal result.png

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@Baldrick1   Here is the result of Crystal Mark.

 (runs in WINE no problem)

 

Not sure about what the settings were at the top, so left them as is from the install.

 

ssd crystal mark result.png

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Re: Hot Spot

@shutter 

when you installed ubuntu where do you install the os /dev/sda or /dev/sdb ?

I think /dev/sda might be one of these 

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@Dan_the_Van  Can`t remember ! .  I do remember that I did some terminal stuff, which , I hope, put the O.S.  ( Linux Mint 20 ) on the main drive for booting up. .. and I had to rename and move the "Home" folder for all of my files and stuff. 

I also have a virtual Drive C: for my "windows progs" that i use cos there is no equivalent as good as, in the Linux Software Manager. !

As I understood it, at the time this would mean that I could install a new version of Linux Mint as a clean install, and all my files and folders etc would not be destroyed in the process.

 

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Re: Hot Spot

@shutter 

my money would be /dev/sda is where you installed the OS and the terminal commands you used be to move /home/gerry to /dev/sdb and to mount the drive when the OS starts

When you had the laptop open where in comparison was the SSD (Samsung EVO 850) drive located to where the hot spot is?

 

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@Dan_the_Van  Fortunately, I still have tbe underpanel removed, and the photo clearly shows the location of the SSD  ( bear in mind this is upside down - so location on the keyboard side will be mirror image)

Underside of laptop;

 

P1110634A.jpg

 

 

The round purple lid is where the hot spot area is roughly,  ( its a plastic cap off something ! ) .

 

Keyboard side.   

 

_ SSD is  on the right, where the white square tissue is... and the hot spot area is about where the three little labels are on the left side

 

P1110639.JPG

 

 

As a point of interest, the SSD is cold.. no peceived heat in it at all...

 

 

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Re: Hot Spot

@Dan_the_Van  & @Baldrick1 

This morning, I thought I would replace the undercover with the grille, but before doing that. I applied some felt pads ( two thicknesses ) on to the "original" pads and also raised the back with similar pads, maintaining the keyboard slope.
This. I hoped would improve the airflow, on the  "input" side from the front edge of the laptop.  After about 90 minutes. the  central  keyboard area still seems to be quite warm.. although the main "Hot Spot" area, seems to be slightly cooler,        The main heat area seems to have moved, to a more central location on the keyboard, from the top left of the touchpad area and to the area covered by the keys cvdfgert.

Checking the "sensors" printout, there does not seem to be any significant differences between this morning and yesterds.

With reference to the SSD`s.   The main large black Drive, is, in fact the 2TB SSD. and this is located at the right hand side of the keyboard area, and is totally cold.

The 500GB SSD is the long thin component, on the left hand side of the keyboard, where the initial, and contnuing,  hot spot problem area is.

 

P1110641 550 GB SSD.jpg

 

 

 

P1110642 2tTB SSD.jpg

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Re: Hot Spot

@shutter 

As per my PM, remove the 500MB SSD and if necessary reinstall Linux on the the 2TB one.

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Re: Hot Spot

OK.... thanks... sounds like a plan !.

Replied to the PM.

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Re: Hot Spot

@Baldrick1  & @Dan_the_Van 

OK.. so here is the update.... Removed the 2TB ssd, and put it in a USB Caddy.  installed a 240GB SSD, in it`s place.. and installed Linux Mint 20.2  from a previous installation on a USB Stick. 

Once installed, I "copied" and "pasted" all my files and folders from the 2TB on to the 240GB SSD.  Finished that about midnite last night! ! ! .. went to bed and slept well! ! .

This morning, I have been tidying up some of the files, and also adding in a couple of extras, like Virtual Box 6.1 and extension pack.. and then installing W7 pro 32 bit, on the VB.  and then installing MS PUB98 on that... cos a lot of my documents were done on that, and there is no conversion to read/edit them on Open Office/Libre Office.

I prefer Open Office, so I had to find a Windows download .exe file for that, and installed it on my virtual Drive C: (WINE 7.0 )

where all my other windows type programs are lurking !.

Also installed 4kVideo Downloader, and VokoScreen .

Installed "vnstat" so that I could monitor my 4g wifi router usage, and the vnstat-client does that very nicely !.

The sensors readout looks pretty much the same as before all this... !  but the hot spot is certainly a lot cooler without the ssd in that location.

 

sensors.png

 

 

 

I`m going to run on the 240GB SSD for the next couple of weeks, just to make sure that I have got everything transferred across from the 2TB, before I do a "CloneZilla" on it. Hopefully it will run a bit cooler.

All in all... I feel I have achieved what I set out to do, and all is running well.

Thank you to both of you, for all the info, help, suggestions and patience with me, on this project.