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Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

Chris
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

It's unlikely that we'd extend it.
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

Spoke to BT, and in theory they are cheaper, by £10 thats a 2 pints saved up for a friday.
BT infinity opt 1
First 12 months £20
Line rental £15.45
includes caller display which is 99p with plusnet
an extra £2 for eve and weekend calls
Total £37.45 then after 12 months its £40.45
Opt one is 40 mbits download which suits me and unlimited usage
My plusnet service goes up to £50 on most bills due to their call tariffs.
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

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The email details the period you have to cancel, that's 10 days from receipt of the email.

Chris, just to clarify, the email specifies the period we have to contact Plusnet - as you know any cancellation or (in particular) transfer of service will take some (unspecified) time after notification.
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

Yep, sorry that's what I meant.
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

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nope just weekend calls, but an extra £2 for eve and week or an extra £7 for anytime.

Thanks for the clarification. Worth considering then that the £14.99 you'd pay us has inclusive evening calls (although I accept what you've been offered in your latest post).
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I had my email today asking for an extra £1 a month on my line rental. With my Extra Fibre £19.99 and new line rental £14.99 your cost will be more than SKY.

Sky's 80/20 fibre offering is £30/mnth isn't it?
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What will the price rises give us as loyal customers? will i get my calls answered within an acceptable time, the ability to email you via the contact us page, or the basic ability to change my direct debit date?

There's obvious focus on our support operations with the opening of the new site in Leeds. We're not going to have a vanilla email address for support. Emails can get lost, it's less accountable and we have the ticketing system to serve this function. There's no easy way to change your billing date due to intricacies that I'll not go into here. Send me a private message about it and I'll see what I can do.
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Perhaps it would be a good idea to start rewarding loyal customers, with a discount for each year that they've stayed with PN, rather like the referrals scheme.

I like the sound of that but I could see the commercials becoming a bit of a headache to work out, especially where account change etc. is concerned. I wouldn't want to be the one coding it either knowing how many product variants etc. there still are Wink
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Are the emails still coming out or have I escaped the price increase? I signed up in December 2012 or January 2013 I think?

As mentioned in previous replies, the emails are still being sent. The last of them probably wont go out until the end of the month.
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Compare with what Tesco is offering:  Unlimited downloads for  £2 per month for 12 months (£6 per month thereafter)  £14.90 line rental including Evenings and Weekends.
http://www.tescobroadband.com/tesco-broadband/evening-and-weekend-package
This all seems to good to be true and possibly is.

They slow some of your traffic down. I'm sure there used to be a FUP of some description too at some point but I've struggled to find anything but some vaguely worded reference to usage in their T's & C's.
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@Kelly Some indeed MANY of us have NOT received the email yet.
I am very unhappy about the phone cost rising, I only bought the full years last year as it was going up just after I did.

And if you renew before October then you'll pay the £125.88 it went up to last year and retain your inclusive evening & weekend minutes. The cost of your broadband subscription isn't changing.
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I have a few days left to contact Plusnet to advise that I wish to terminate my telephone service with them but my LRS is paid (non-refundable) until January (so I'm effectively 'tied in' until then).  If I do contact Plusnet within the ten day period specified in the email to advise that I want to terminate my telephone service once my LRS expires will my call plan still increase 'to my material disadvantage' in October?

Yes, it will. The only way to avoid this would be to move your services away before October. Having said that, our Customer Options folk might be able to offer you something more amicable.
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It says if you decide to leave, you can so without incurring termination fees. However you will still get a service charge up to the date of termination.
So if I am 2 months into my FTTC 18 month contract, I can leave without incurring a service charge? But will be charged (i.e I choose to terminate in September) my monthly bill up to september? And after that its just free to move provider?

Not sure I entirely understand what you're asking here? If you're wanting to move to another provider then you'd call us for a MAC, give that to your new provider and continue paying us up until the point of transfer. We wouldn't charge you an early termination fee for leaving within the first 18 months of your contract.
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1) What specific areas did PN feel were lacking i.e. failing beyond acceptable limits within the service area that have brought about the price increase and what specific metrics can you display to back this up?

Firstly, sorry about the bad news Sad
I'm sure you recognise that there's certain data we wouldn't want made public for commercial reasons however I'll do my best to answer your questions.
Whilst we pride ourselves on customer service I don't think anyone's under the misconception that we're perfect. It's not so much about where we're lacking but where we can improve. The new contact centre is a considerable investment of course but that's not all we're investing in. There's money being spent on other things behind the scenes e.g. product development and network expansion. Sorry, I don't have specific metrics to share with you I'm afraid, not least due to the sensitive nature of such information.
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2) What specific study was done to indicate that the root cause of the service failure on your part could be resolved by money?

As above, there is no 'service failure'. Thorough consideration is always given before making significant changes like these. I'm under no obligation to share the specifics for the same reason cited above but trust me when I say we don't make such decisions lightly.
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3) Why are PN unable to fund the rectification of the service failure to which you have determined required money to be spent themselves out of rather substantial profits rather than charging customers?

Again, you're attributing the price rise to some single point of failure which isn't why this is happening. Perhaps you've taken that line of the email too literally? As a company we need to remain profitable. The price increase will help with the investments/service improvements we have planned over the coming year or two.
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4) Are you willing to provide transparent and on going details of what the additional money has been spent on so we can judge the success or failure of the planned service improvements?

Sorry I can't really do that and I doubt you'd find many companies that would. The information isn't really something we'd want to broadcast from the tree tops.
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5) If the service does not improve within a fixed period of time are you willing to either reduce or refund the wasted fee's?

I'm sure it's no surprise to you that this assurance doesn't form part of the changes we're making Wink
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6) Would you please make it VERY clear by editing the first post in this thread that any plusnet customer that does not agree to these terms can cancel within 10 days without having to pay a penny beyond what they currently owe.

That isn't strictly the case where things like cessation fees are concerned but I digress. The introductory post suggests that customers wait for their email. The email makes it quite clear what options are available, including the option to leave without paying early termination fees.
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7) Why do you think it is OK only to give us 10 days to cancel when you yourself as part of this change are now demanding 14 days?

10 days is the notice period defined in our T's & C's I believe. The notice required to cancel your account isn't increasing to 14 days until October.
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

You Failed badly, you should go work for the conservative government you pathetic spin doctor.
I am oh hold now waiting for a local hero to answer the phone so I can cancel.
tl;dr version of what you wrote:
I wont justify anything we want more profit and will not hold ourselves to the same terms we impose on our customers.
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

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You Failed badly, you should go work for the conservative government you pathetic spin doctor.

Whilst I recognise you may be angered, there's no need to resort to personal remarks like this now is there?
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I am oh hold now waiting for a local hero to answer the phone so I can cancel.

Sorry you feel driven to do that. I hope our Customer Options Team can come to an arrangement you're happy with.

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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

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And if you renew before October then you'll pay the £125.88 it went up to last year and retain your inclusive evening & weekend minutes. The cost of your broadband subscription isn't changing.

Yes BUT I am tied to you till Oct unless I choose to LOOSE money by moving earlier. So your 10 days to change is meaningless to me.
Fine for those on monthly contracts but us with LRS have paid up front and it is UNREFUNDABLE.
Your £125.88 for the year vs Pirmus @ £83.88. Hmm lets see what could I use £42 on?Huh
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

I don't agree this is very personal, plusnet have miss sold a service to me twice, and a product once, they then lied and called me a liar so yes this is personal, I stand by my comments.
You're customer options kid made no real effort, frankly it sounded like I interrupted his lunch,  he offered 2 months free before even asking what the problem was (lol) if I signed up for another 18 months ..... sorry... WHAT?, my mac code will be with me in 24 hours.
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

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I don't agree this is very personal, plusnet have miss sold a service to me twice, and a product once, they then lied and called me a liar so yes this is personal, I stand by my comments.
You're customer options kid made no real effort, frankly it sounded like I interrupted his lunch,  he offered 2 months free before even asking what the problem was (lol) if I signed up for another 18 months ..... sorry... WHAT?, my mac code will be with me in 24 hours.

I was offered £1.50 off for the remainder of my contract.. 3 months!  Lips_are_sealed
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I was offered £1.50 off for the remainder of my contract.. 3 months!   Lips_are_sealed

Welcome to plusnet where equality means nothing, I was offered £60 for a new router when I highlighted how poor the TG582n was with evidence, yet when I made that public they silenced me by deadlocking my account.. if multiple customers have the same complaint the same response should be given, sadly that is not what we have here.
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

For me it's not the issue of the price increase, it is the fact I am contracted to pay X amount over a certain period.
I agreed to hand that amount over for the duration of the contract in return for the agreed service.
I did not say 'I will pay this much, then in a couple of months you can charge me more, then a couple of months more you charge me even more again'.
No, I agreed a contract at a certain price.
Of course prices rise, that is to be expected.
But I expect the price rises to happen at the end of a contract, not part way through.
It is not my problem if PlusNet need more cash, they should factor that into the contracted cost we BOTH agreed on.
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But I expect the price rises to happen at the end of a contract, not part way through

It sounds simple, but remember that we'll have customers who have contracts ending every single day. Changing prices at the end of each contract wouldn't be feasible because of this, hence doing it in the way we have.
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

Chris I understand that.
But it makes the agreement I have, on my part, worthless. 
It also puts the trust I had in Plusnet null and void.
I don't care about the problems it may cause, I care about my bank balance, and the fact all of these companies see it as a fair and just way to do business.
Every pound the likes of PlusNet, British Gas, Eon, Three Mobile, etc take from me, is a pound less to spend on my children.
That is the stark fact.
So where it may seem an insignificant amount, when EVERY 'essential services' company does the same, it adds up to a lot.
My initial choice of PlusNet was made by the honesty on display in the form of customer service, tariffs, ets.. it seem's I was hoodwinked good and proper, again.
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Re: Pricing/Terms changes - October 2013

what a pile, Chris this is your problem not ours, yes you have contracts ending every day, if you cant come up with a system to charge extra after the end of a term it is just contract trapping plain and simple.... if you cant come up with a system then you suffer the loss don't pass it on.