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Another speed moan

cmsaunders
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Another speed moan

Seeing as I'm getting absolutely nowhere with the support people (an exasperating tale I won't go into here but involves numerous identical automated responses about turning on interleaving and very little human response) I was hoping that one of you very knowledegable people could advise on what my problem might be.
I'll say first of all I'm aware of the recent problems Plus Net have been having. That said if you look at my speed history you'll see that occasionally I do have an adequate speed for my needs but most of the time it's absolutely appalling (thus suggesting to a layman like me that the problem is not at my end as the problem isn't constant).  This problem started about 2 months ago and I've been on at support for the last 6 weeks trying to get some sort of answer from them (even if it's just to say "it's to do with the problems we're having").  But I keep getting fobbed off with automated answers.  After being a customer for 9 years without having any significant problem until now I'm finding the whole scenario disappointing and annoying. I've read that a lot of users on here are getting reasonable speeds albeit not ones that they'd expect so if I could at least do something to reach their hallowed ground I'd be relatively satisfied.  I shouldn't be having to ask you though should I...?
So, here's the relevant stats, most of which are gibberish to me.  Thanks in advance for any help even if it is just to confirm it's to do with PN's problems...
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bobpullen
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Re: Another speed moan

Sorry about the interleaving notices, that's part of a problem our developers are currently working to fix. Regarding your speed problems, they are far lower than I'd expect on a Pro account, even given the recent problems we've been working to fix.
I've checked your account and you're on the right traffic management profile and I don't see any suspicious upload activity or anything like that. Checking your RADIUS logs though, your line does seem to be up and down quite a lot. Does this look right to you?
Session Started	Session Ended	Session Duration
20:03 07/Dec/2009 N/A   1:49:39 (on going)
17:36 07/Dec/2009 20:03 07/Dec/2009   2:26:20
17:31 07/Dec/2009 17:36 07/Dec/2009   0:5:0
17:00 07/Dec/2009 17:31 07/Dec/2009   0:30:43
16:37 07/Dec/2009 17:00 07/Dec/2009   0:23:50
17:27 06/Dec/2009 16:36 07/Dec/2009   23:9:11
16:38 06/Dec/2009 17:27 06/Dec/2009   0:49:20
17:17 05/Dec/2009 16:38 06/Dec/2009   23:20:31
21:57 04/Dec/2009 17:17 05/Dec/2009   19:19:51
21:23 04/Dec/2009 21:57 04/Dec/2009   0:34:40
21:21 04/Dec/2009 21:23 04/Dec/2009   0:1:31
21:21 04/Dec/2009 21:21 04/Dec/2009   0:0:23
21:20 04/Dec/2009 21:21 04/Dec/2009   0:0:43
18:24 03/Dec/2009 21:20 04/Dec/2009 One Day, 2:55:24
18:15 03/Dec/2009 18:19 03/Dec/2009   0:4:7
19:14 02/Dec/2009 18:15 03/Dec/2009   23:0:51
17:52 02/Dec/2009 19:14 02/Dec/2009   1:21:50
22:01 01/Dec/2009 17:52 02/Dec/2009   19:51:21
19:00 01/Dec/2009 22:00 01/Dec/2009   3:0:50
19:00 01/Dec/2009 19:00 01/Dec/2009   0:0:1
01:11 01/Dec/2009 18:59 01/Dec/2009   17:48:35
01:08 01/Dec/2009 01:11 01/Dec/2009   0:2:40
01:06 01/Dec/2009 01:08 01/Dec/2009   0:1:50
01:05 01/Dec/2009 01:06 01/Dec/2009   0:0:8
01:05 01/Dec/2009 01:05 01/Dec/2009   0:0:0
22:22 30/Nov/2009 01:05 01/Dec/2009   2:43:38

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tobykim
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Re: Another speed moan

Does that say "noise margin 0" can't see properly eyesight not as good as it was ?
cmsaunders
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Re: Another speed moan

Hi Bob
Thank you for your reply.  It probably is, it was much worse about 6 weeks ago as it was going off all the time and was something I mentioned in my original ticket.  Since then though it's improved.  It's no big problem to me practically speaking (other than if it's connected with the speed issue obviously), I just assumed that it was a normal occasional occurrence - like I said, I'm a layman..  
Tobykim - yes it does say '0'
jelv
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Re: Another speed moan

Whenever the noise margin drops very low you are in danger of a resync and given the data Bob posted it looks like that is happening a lot (I'd spotted how short your current up time was before I read Bob's post).
You need to find out why the noise margin is dropping.
Have you got multiple phone extensions? If so is everything plugged in to any extension filtered?
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cmsaunders
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Re: Another speed moan

Hi Jelv
It'd be easier I think to just draw a diagram of how things are set up here.  Probably laughably complex but I couldn't figure out how else to do it & it all worked fine for a few months. See attached pic
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w23
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Re: Another speed moan

Nice diagram, very clear.
Can you confirm which is the master socket (downstairs I presume)?
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cmsaunders
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Re: Another speed moan

yep the downstairs one goes into the outside wall
jelv
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Re: Another speed moan

You haven't got a filter on the ground floor phone! Every time the phone rings or you use that phone it will knacker your broadband.
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cmsaunders
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Re: Another speed moan

oh we use our mobiles here 100%, phone line is just for internet really and for cold callers to annoy us on, so it rarely rings nor do we use it to dial out on much (if at all)
jelv
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Re: Another speed moan

It doesn't matter! Just having the phone plugged in without a filter is going to cause problems. You MUST either unplug that phone and never use that socket or put a filter in it.
You could of course ignore my advice, get Plusnet to arrange for an engineers visit and pay £144 + VAT for the privilege of him telling you it needs to be filtered.
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cmsaunders
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Re: Another speed moan

I wouldn't ignore your advice, I know next to nothing about this kind of thing - I was just responding to your comment about the phone ringing.  I'll get another filter tomorrow, thanks.
Now my speed is <a href="http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk"><img src="http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/results/06233245.png" /></a>
Not great but a significant increase on earlier this evening, noise margin is still 0db
jelv
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Re: Another speed moan

When you plug the filter in you won't see an immediate improvement on speed test results. What you need to do after you have fitted the filter is power down the router for a few minutes and then restart it, preferably during daylight hours.
What you should see is that you have connected with a sensible noise margin - have a look at this immediately the connection is established - that will be your target set by BT. It starts at 6 and goes up increments of 3 if there are problems on the line; every time it increases your sync speed goes down. You should also see that the WAN up time in the router stats shows that you have stopped getting disconnections. Leave your router permanently on with perhaps one power off for a few minutes once a day during daylight hours.
What you should then see over a period of time is the Current Line Speed come back closer to your sync speed (this could take a few days), and, if BT have raised your target noise margin, the noise margin drop back to 6 (this can take a few weeks) with a consequent further increase in speed.
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cmsaunders
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Re: Another speed moan

this morning's speed
<a href="http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk"><img src="http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/results/06235883.png" /></a>
and noise margin, now fluctuating between 6 & 10.  It will all change for the worse later on past experience.  Thanks Jelv, I'll do as you say but is this speed/noise variation to be expected?
jelv
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Re: Another speed moan

4db variation is a bit more than I would expect. Is it changing in small steps or jumping around?
As you are using a Netgear, could you download RouterStats and keep that running. It will give you a graph showing what the noise margin is doing.
jelv (a.k.a Spoon Whittler)
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