Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Mark Topic as New
- Mark Topic as Read
- Float this Topic for Current User
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Printer Friendly Page
- Plusnet Community
- :
- Forum
- :
- Feedback
- :
- Plusnet Feedback
- :
- Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS...
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 7:18 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 7:25 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
utter rubbish and if it was not for PN / forum acs would probably still be getting away with murder and isp's would of brushed all the leaked emails news under the carpet and carried on the way they was doing
Plusnet fight for your rep here and stop letting bt broadband get the hero's news article's
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 7:36 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
Quote from: Fletch I was at the adjournment hearing today and I'd like to thank the team for working the weekend in pulling this together.
Now that's better. Thanks Fletch.
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 7:49 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
Whatever has happened until now - big thumbs up for Plusnet today. They have delivered on what they promised - not only to argue for an adjournment, but to win one. Well done! And I'll add my thanks to Fletch for the personal attention.
Now the work starts. You have just over 3 months to prepare a solid, water tight case.
The NPO orders MUST be contested on ALL of the following grounds:
1 - Data Protection security - clearly the people receiving the data are not to be trusted.
2 - Data quality. Given the previously mentioned holes in the data supplied by plusnet to ACS Law, then there is something seriously wrong with the data. Either the harvesters are collecting a random bunch of IP's with no basis in reality, and it just so happens that 75% were in use by someone at the time (in this case almost certainly not the guilty parties), or the plusnet logs are so inaccurate that they can only line up 75% of the requested IP's - which then calls into question the accuracy of the remaining data. Either way, it is wholly inadequate for the actions being taken.
3 - The fact that IP's only identify the connection, not the culprit.
4 - That the level of damages being requested is completely out of proportion to the realistically calculable damages, as indicated by ACS Laws OWN INTERNAL ASSESSMENT.
5 - The potential for wireless hacking.
Further, as an immediate action to protect customers from future actions (given the known data quality issues), Plusnet should delete log data older than 6 months, and ensure future logs are kept no longer than the mandated duration.
Once that is achieved, then the industry can, if it likes, work on a foolproof way (if that will ever be possible) of identifying the guilty without persecuting the innocent.
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 7:52 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
No? Really? Hands up all those that are not surprised
Quote BSKyB were not represented at today's hearing.
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 7:57 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 8:00 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 8:03 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
Quote from: collinet OK
Whatever has happened until now - big thumbs up for Plusnet today. They have delivered on what they promised - not only to argue for an adjournment, but to win one. Well done! And I'll add my thanks to Fletch for the personal attention.
Now the work starts. You have just over 3 months to prepare a solid, water tight case.
The NPO orders MUST be contested on ALL of the following grounds:
1 - Data Protection security - clearly the people receiving the data are not to be trusted.
2 - Data quality. Given the previously mentioned holes in the data supplied by plusnet to ACS Law, then there is something seriously wrong with the data. Either the harvesters are collecting a random bunch of IP's with no basis in reality, and it just so happens that 75% were in use by someone at the time (in this case almost certainly not the guilty parties), or the plusnet logs are so inaccurate that they can only line up 75% of the requested IP's - which then calls into question the accuracy of the remaining data. Either way, it is wholly inadequate for the actions being taken.
3 - The fact that IP's only identify the connection, not the culprit.
4 - That the level of damages being requested is completely out of proportion to the realistically calculable damages, as indicated by ACS Laws OWN INTERNAL ASSESSMENT.
5 - The potential for wireless hacking.
Further, as an immediate action to protect customers from future actions (given the known data quality issues), Plusnet should delete log data older than 6 months, and ensure future logs are kept no longer than the mandated duration.
Once that is achieved, then the industry can, if it likes, work on a foolproof way (if that will ever be possible) of identifying the guilty without persecuting the innocent.
Absolutely. I would also like to pass my thanks to Fletch, thats more like what we wanted to hear.
Rupert29
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 8:04 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 8:06 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
Quote BT lawyers asked for the adjournment, saying that the firm needed to see details of the security system that will be used to store its customers' data before it could comply with any order.
There is no mention of any other concerns about the process being raised by the BT Legal Team.
This doesn't quite align with gist of the BT / Plusnet 'official line' that they're putting out.
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 8:11 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
What matters is it was good enough to get the result (without over egging it - don't want to give any more ammo to the enemy, in terms of future plans, than necessary), and buys the time to get the next step right.
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 8:12 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
B.
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 8:13 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
Indeed, but that doesn't for sure mean it wasn't mentioned, and even it wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that it won't be part of what they bring to court on the 11th January.
Quote from: watching This doesn't quite align with gist of the BT / Plusnet 'official line' that they're putting out.
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 8:21 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
That should be easy to prove as the site wasn't hacked!
jelv (a.k.a Spoon Whittler) Why I have left Plusnet (warning: long post!) Broadband: Andrews & Arnold Home::1 (FTTC 80/20) Line rental: Pulse 8 Home Line Rental (£14.40/month) Mobile: iD mobile (£4/month) |
Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!
04-10-2010 8:25 PM
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Highlight
- Report to Moderator
Quote from: fourfourdevon ...even it wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that it won't be part of what they bring to court on the 11th January.
Only one way to find out! On Jan 11th all will become clear. Woe betide should they let us down!
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Mark Topic as New
- Mark Topic as Read
- Float this Topic for Current User
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Printer Friendly Page
- Plusnet Community
- :
- Forum
- :
- Feedback
- :
- Plusnet Feedback
- :
- Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS...