Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

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I bet gallant macmillan are not very happy, they see these requests as just a formality.
Now they will cost them money and time and they may lose, I would not even be surprised if they dont turn up at the next hearing.
After all they need a barrister and a IT professional that will argue the case, can you see them getting one that still wants to work in IT after?

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Quote from: fourfourdevon

I know Plusnets Tech, and god forbid, even BT's tech know all this already, but just in case that knowledge hasn't made its way to BT's barrister please make sure your legal team (Plusnets) read this and anyone wanting to know what most of the problem are concerning the practice of sending letters to apparent IP users then thats a very good grounding too.

Thanks 44D - a very interesting read.

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If the bt/plusnet legal team can get copies of the complaints against the likes of ACS Law for being wrongly accused and harrassed this could help their case for not handing over customer details as surely it would prove the system used to collect ips allegedly sharing files is not working?

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Quote from: Toolbox

After all they need a barrister and a IT professional that will argue the case, can you see them getting one that still wants to work in IT after?

Unfortunately yes, expert witnesses are often soon forgotten, especially as who they are is not supposed to be important.  And for £££ a lot of people can bought, especially those with a vested interest, such as those that wrote the data capture programs.  However as its stands I expect that BT/Plusnet have a much greater pool of experts than GM have.

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Quote from: dazco

If the bt/plusnet legal team can get copies of the complaints against the likes of ACS Law...

A quick search on the internet should secure a few hundred of those.

Quote from: dazco

... for being wrongly accused and harrassed this could help their case for not handing over customer details as surely it would prove the system used to collect ips allegedly sharing files is not working?

Whilst I think it may help with the general argument, chances are that GM will argue their process is not ACS's process and so no direct comparison can be made.

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I believe there is also many complaints been sent in against GM too ? as their business model is the same as ACS Law in sending out demanding letters etc

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I'd be buying the services of that lawyer that advised ACS:Law that they hadn't a hope of hell of ever getting a judgement against an alleged file sharer because the basis of the evidence is so flimsy 

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Genius (link shamelessly pirated from torrentfreak)
VERY not safe for work (but only the subtitles)

("Don't worry - you were good in that movie" - as I said, Genius)
jim:orange link removed - this is a serious thread - if you want to watch it go here http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,89324.msg746064.html#msg746064 mod:end

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Quote from: Fletch

We’re pleased that the court has agreed to an adjournment so that our concerns can be examined by the court, this will then act as a precedent/test case for the future.

I’m very pleased that Plusnet are taking steps to ensure that the current process is examined. Thanks to all involved.
It would be great if Fletch could expand on the “concerns” that were raised as I really don’t want this next court hearing to be the precedent/test case for the future if all aspects are not covered, so Fletch, could you clarify that Plusnet’s concerns did include the depth and validity of the evidence that is gathered, the justification of the damages claimed for along with the data protection issues?
I probably don’t need to reiterate this, but it is crucial that everything is examined in this process.

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As already pointed out in this thread there is enough in this document to argue a case against giving user info to these companies
http://tinyurl.com/2vnvp6r
Not only should it be argued regarding the security of user information but it MUST be argued the credability of the way data is collected and the facts of many inocent people being accused that have complained
This is THE test case coming up and the future of internet users privacy is on the line. No customer is going to accept their ISP handing over personal details anymore ...................

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Quote from: dazco

As already pointed out in this thread there is enough in this document to argue a case against giving user info to these companies http://tinyurl.com/2vnvp6r

And for proof irrefutable by any expert witness, just use the spreadsheets released by ACS:Law showing just how many holes in the data there are.  Any expert witness that argues its a fool proof process when shown those spreadsheets is going to look like a fool.

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Who's up for a trip to the high court on January 11th?  Represent the users!! 

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http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2010/well-done-bt-now-isps-have-to-ensure-that-methods-of-collec...

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That's an important development, but what we really need is the ISPs to force the disclosure of the data collection methods. Similarly, in the DEA, Ofcom should also ensure transparency.

i agree with whats said in this article on open rights group, the review should be from top to bottom of the infringement industry. i fear BT are just challenging a couple of parts of the game and not the top of food chain ie the evidence the monitoring company's seem to think is 100% spot on at catching those guilty party's
but from the leaked emails seen the monitoring company's was being koi with the truth on there systems
if its got BT involved it is certain to go boobs up, there going to wreck all future challenges in my view

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am in, i will bring the biscuits liam

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Quote from: Asbo

if its got BT involved it is certain to go boobs up, there going to wreck all future challenges in my view

Someone with more knowledge please correct me if I'm (almost certainly) wrong, but isn't there an option in at least some types of case for 3rd parties with interests in the outcome of a case to be given a formal role in proceedings allowing them to to make representations? The identification method used is entirely dubious, and those who may potentially be on the list certainly have a great deal riding on the outcome, as have others, albeit less directly. If there's any merit at all to my recollection, PI or the like would be a logical candidate to represent users interests, and have already stated they will make a challenge at some point.
Good plan Liam; a strong show of public support at the court would send a strong message, and also provide a useful pool of potentially affected interviewees for the press, should any choose to attend. All the better if some already affected by the ACS leak were there.