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Mint 18 released

HairyMcbiker
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Mint 18 released

Actually released on Thursday Thumbs_Up

Mate & Cinnamon versions at the mo.

Upgrades from 17.x will be explained later.

 

Running it now on my main PC. (Booted this morning with an error about /dev/null, so took the opportunity to upgrade with a clean install)

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DaveyH
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Re: Mint 18 released


HairyMcbiker wrote:

Actually released on Thursday Thumbs_Up

Indeed. I downloaded and have been running the Cinnamon version since last week.

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Re: Mint 18 released

So..... new version of Mint....  great.!.. but...

 

What is the difference between the "old" Mint 17 and the "new" Mint 18 ? 

 

are the changes worth worrying about, or are they "updates" to the inside workings, more than the "outside" operational usages.... ?

 

 

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Re: Mint 18 released

@shutter - This should tell you all you need to know, and from the brief read it might be worth an update.

HairyMcbiker
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Re: Mint 18 released

Unlike the "old" releases, now Mint only releases a new version every 4 years. Mint 18 will be the new LTS version, and will be supported for the next 4 years.
Mint 18.1 will be released next year, but it is not a massive change, just some better apps. No need to upgrade unless you want to.
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Re: Mint 18 released

Does Mint 18 use systemd?
HairyMcbiker
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Re: Mint 18 released

Since it is based on Ubutntu 16.04 probably.
I don't actually know.
The etc/init.d folder is still there.

How do you know?
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As I understand it's use is optional, Mint currently uses Upstart and SysV init but you can use systemd if needed.

Note to self, only cite current articles not outdated ones.

HairyMcbiker
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Re: Mint 18 released

Mint 17.n used Upstart & init.d
But it looks like 18 used systemd
hairybiker@octo:~$ ps ax|grep systemd
416 ? Ss 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-journald
452 ? Ss 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd
879 ? Ss 0:00 /sbin/cgmanager -m name=systemd
881 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation
905 ? Ss 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind
1810 ? Ss 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd --user
6886 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto systemd
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Re: Mint 18 released

I'm running LMDE (Mint based on Debian) and I appear to have hundreds of systemd files - which I am totally clueless about. I also have init.d which appears to be still working (including a few changes I made).

I suspect that this is because systemd --version prints

systemd 215
+PAM +AUDIT +SELINUX +IMA +SYSVINIT +LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +ACL +XZ -SECCOMP -APPARMOR

So that systemd runs SYSVINIT - but I'm guessing there...

BTW ps ax | grep systemd
2050 ? S 0:00 /sbin/cgmanager --daemon -m name=systemd
3274 ? S 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind

So I've got an extra couple of systemd processes.

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Re: Mint 18 released

Debian moved to systemd, then some of them forked it to remove it again, but the vanilla version is systemd. Which is why LMDE is systemd.

As long as I can still add an init.d script and it works it will do for now for me. Unitl I get to know systemd better.
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In the description for the systemd package (which I have loaded) it says:-

systemd is a replacement for sysvinit. It is dependency-based and
able to read the LSB init script headers in addition to parsing rcN.d
links as hints.

It also provides process supervision using cgroups and the ability to
not only depend on other init script being started, but also
availability of a given mount point or dbus service.

Installing the systemd package will not switch your init system unless you
boot with init=/bin/systemd or install systemd-sysv in addition.

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Re: Mint 18 released

Yeah Debian moved to systemd by default in Jessie (8.0) so I guess it makes a lot of sense for Ubuntu/Mint and other distros derived from Debian to go the same way. 

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Even though no-one (almost) understands systemd and how to operate it?

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I've had systemd since Fedora switched to using it some time ago. No-one was born with the knowledge of how to operate it, but I'm sure most people will be able to figure it out.