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Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
Thursday
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OK, here is a question. I am an "authorised user" on my father in law's plus net account. He is 93 and classed as vulnerable.
Will this status also have been migrated to Greenby? He basically knows how to check his email on his iPad - but is completely unable to deal with anything remotely technical.
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
Thursday
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@tonycollinet Such data/information should be passed over, yes - whether Greenby will absorb/act on it, is open to question.
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
Thursday - last edited Thursday
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If you login into My Greenby Select ->Profile -->Extra support
Hopefully it covers everything for you
Superusers are not staff, but they do have a direct line of communication into the business in order to raise issues, concerns and feedback from the community.
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
Thursday
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Thanks - but there is nothing there about authorising another person to operate the account.
At the moment I am doing it "unofficially" since I have all my FIL's log on details. But when it comes to making payments in a couple of years time it should be set up properly so that Greenby recognise me as authorised to deal with payments etc, just as I now can with plusnet.
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
Friday
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Until I saw this thread I had no idea that this was going on. I have had nothing from PN about this, and neither has my brother. So now I'm worried that either of us could be migrated at any time and not informed because you've not communicated with either of us so far.
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
6 hours ago
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This Greenby organisation is not very well managed at all. They even block notifications/emails from Plus.net. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!
For the past couple of days I have been wondering why my email had dropped off as only getting 2- 3 a day. This morning I went to the Greenby website to log in like I have done previously. There was a message stating that I could not log in until the migration was completed! I have logged in previously. I reloaded the page and was then able to enter my details and log in.
Imagine my horror when I went to the webmail page and found over 230 emails marked as junk. None of them were junk as I have been receiving emails from the same senders for years. Moving them all to the inbox took awhile. Unfortunately there were emails were I was waiting for quotes and when the quotes never appeared I went elsewhere.
As Plusnet are no longer able to supply a reliable service as per my contract with them, Plusnet have now broken the contract as per the Consumer Rights Act 2015. My legal adviser stated that the service that is provided by Greenby is already falling short of a reasonable standard (contrary to S49 Consumer Rights Act 2015).
I think it is now time to think about terminated my contract with Plus net even if I have to pay for an email provider!
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
5 hours ago
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As Plusnet are no longer able to supply a reliable service as per my contract with them, Plusnet have now broken the contract as per the Consumer Rights Act 2015. My legal adviser stated that the service that is provided by Greenby is already falling short of a reasonable standard (contrary to S49 Consumer Rights Act 2015).
Plusnet claims email was a freebie provided with its Broadband. The key legal question would be: is a freebie (included when you signed on) part of the contract?
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
4 hours ago
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I can see this as being a valid argument, providing that since the day that you agreed to the original contract you have never agreed to a new one, that is, you have been paying the out of contract monthly fee since the day that your initial fixed price term ended.
If you think that you have a case then I suggest that you take it through the courts. If you do, please report back here, then we would all have the definitive answer.
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Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
4 hours ago - last edited 4 hours ago
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Incorrect as when the new contract was taken out, email provision was part of the deal. Therefore solid grounds to cancel.
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
4 hours ago
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Although I went through all the emails that had been junked on Greenby and switched them to "allow", Greenby in their wisdom still mark notifications from the Plusnet community as "junk". I had to go back in and clear out the junk folder again! I wonder how many other people are having genuine emails into their junk folder. Is there any way to stop genuine emails being sent to the "junk" folder repeatedly?
There is absolutely no need to go to court if you use the CRA 2015 correctly. It can be argued that the provision of the email service was an incentive to agree to the long term contract. Unfortunately mine only finishes in Nov 2026! In this case Plusnet have clearly infringed the CRA 2015 and replaced a good working service with one that is very flawed and inferior. Plusnet would be very foolish to try and take it to court and besides the publicity would not be very good.
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
4 hours ago
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CRA 2015 is the Consumer Rights Act 2015, a major UK law that came into force on 1 October 2015. It modernised and unified consumer protection rules across goods, services, and digital content.
The Act sets out the statutory rights consumers have when buying from traders. These rights cover:
• Goods — must be of satisfactory quality, fit for purpose, and as described
• Digital content — must meet similar standards (e.g., apps, downloads, software)
• Services — must be performed with reasonable care and skill
It also introduced clearer remedies when things go wrong, including:
• Short term right to reject faulty goods for a refund
• Repair or replacement
• Price reduction if the problem isn’t fixed
• Final right to reject if repairs fail
These rights apply to contracts between a trader and a consumer.
Before 2015, consumer law was scattered across multiple Acts and regulations. The CRA simplified everything into one coherent framework, making it easier for consumers to understand their rights and for traders to comply.
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
4 hours ago - last edited 4 hours ago
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An observation on my contract renewal emails?
In 2022 my contract renewal email detailed
Don't forget the other great perks of being a Plusnet customer
• Average download speeds of 66Mb
• Special offers as a Plusnet Mobile customer
• Multi award-winning UK based customer service
• Online parental controls
• Email address
• Calls to other Plusnet landline customers
• Caller Display and Call Protect
Next time I renewed in 2024
Other services you have access to
• Online parental controls
• Calls to other Plusnet landline customers
• Caller Display and Call Protect
Seems email was not included, it's not mentioned in the renewal email.
If I recall correctly sometime in 2023 email was withdrawn for new customers.
Superusers are not staff, but they do have a direct line of communication into the business in order to raise issues, concerns and feedback from the community.
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
3 hours ago
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Plusnet over the years have done that IMHO.
However the Enix/Greenby migration is another matter.
"Under UK consumer law, even a “free” add-on service like email must still be provided with reasonable care and skill and be usable, if it forms part of what you are supplied with, even when it isn’t explicitly itemised in the contract.
Here’s how it works, using Plusnet email as the example.
1. The key law: Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA)
The Consumer Rights Act 2015 applies to services, not just paid-for ones.
The crucial bit
Section 49 CRA says:
Every contract to supply a service is to be treated as including a term that the trader must perform the service with reasonable care and skill.
Importantly:
This applies even if no separate charge is made
It applies even if the service is bundled or described as “free”
It applies if the service is part of the overall package or reasonably expected
So “free add-on” ≠ “no legal obligations”.
2. Does it matter that it’s not explicitly in the contract?
Not necessarily.
Under UK law, contract terms include:
Express terms (written or spoken)
Implied terms (added by law, custom, or reasonable expectation)
A service can be implied if:
It’s routinely provided with the main service
It’s advertised or referenced (even casually)
A reasonable consumer would expect it to work
Plusnet email is typically:
Provided automatically with broadband
Used as a selling/retention feature
Integrated into account management
That makes it part of the service supply, not a random gift.
3. “Usable” vs “perfect”
The law doesn’t require perfection — it requires reasonableness.
For an email service, “reasonable care and skill” would usually mean:
It basically works
It’s accessible in a standard way
Outages are not constant or excessive
Problems are addressed within a reasonable time
It’s not arbitrarily withdrawn or broken without justification
It would not usually mean:
Guaranteed uptime
Advanced features
Enterprise-grade support
But if it’s consistently broken, inaccessible, or effectively unusable, that’s where CRA issues arise.
4. “Free” does NOT remove consumer protection
UK courts and regulators are very clear on this point:
Traders cannot avoid legal duties by calling something “free”
If a service influences your decision or forms part of the package, it’s covered
This is especially true where the consumer gives something of value (e.g. entering a contract, paying for broadband)
This is the same principle used for:
“Free” antivirus with laptops
“Free” cloud storage with phones
“Free” apps tied to paid subscriptions
5. Remedies (what you could realistically expect)
If the email service is not provided with reasonable care and skill, your remedies are limited but real:
You can usually ask for:
Fixing the issue
Reasonable time to resolve
Clear communication
You are unlikely to get:
Contract termination solely over email
Large refunds (unless the email was a major selling point)
But you can:
Raise a formal complaint citing Consumer Rights Act 2015, s49
Escalate to ADR / Ombudsman Services: Communications
Use it as leverage in broader disputes (e.g. service quality, retention issues)
6. One important caveat
If the provider clearly and transparently says:
“This service is provided entirely as-is and may be withdrawn at any time”
That can limit expectations — but it still doesn’t override s49 entirely if the service continues to be offered and used.
They can withdraw it. They can’t provide it negligently while it exists.
Bottom line
✔ Yes — even a free, unlisted add-on service must be provided with reasonable care and skill under UK law
✔ “Free” does not mean “no standards”
✔ If it’s part of the package a reasonable consumer would expect, it’s covered by the Consumer Rights Act"
Re: Update on Plusnet email migration to Greenby
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The least Plusnet can do, after this messy transfer of the email service to Greenby, is to allow customers who have been with them for many years to end their contracts without penalty.
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