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Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
12-01-2022 3:00 PM
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If FTTC is not available, your only practical alternative might be to switch to a wireless service such as EE 4G.
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Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
12-01-2022 3:45 PM
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Not very helpful Things do improve I know how it was what is it that you suggest and how do I do that ?
Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
12-01-2022 4:04 PM
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Put your postcode on here and see what it says.
PlusNet are essentially BT and 'their suppliers' are BT Wholesale.
If it says you can have it, then PlusNet should be able to supply it.
Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
12-01-2022 4:47 PM - edited 12-01-2022 4:48 PM
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Hey @stathe
thanks for keeping in touch. @Townman is correct, your line is quite long, 6520 Metres to be exact, which is why we told you to expect speeds between 1.1Mbps and 2.5Mbps when you last re-contracted. Copper lines are also subject to natural degradation over a long period of time.
I've tested your line this afternoon - I'll pop the results below, which show that in terms of speed, your line is performing within estimates, with downstream speeds coming through at 1888Kbps. I can see that in order to increase stability, we've recently changed the profile of your connection, which does come at the expense of some speed. given the line length, for the most part, the line appears to be relatively stable, though some drops can be seen at the same time during the day. This can indicate some form of regular interference along the line somewhere.
Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
12-01-2022 7:03 PM
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@stathe wrote:
Not very helpful Things do improve I know how it was what is it that you suggest and how do I do that ?
I can understand that hard truths and facts might not be seen as helpful when they are not want you want to hear. However, the bottom line is your telephone line is 6.5km long. You might find this informative - Broadband Speed Checker - ADSL and distance - essentially ADSL is just about viable up to 5.5km and ADSL2 up to 6km both shorter than your line. I was going to ask @adam945 if forcing ADSL(1) might help - but not at 6.5km.
This sentence is key: "Any signal that is carried through the wires is affected by Resistance, Capacitance and Inductance. These characteristics of the copper wire directly contribute to the noise on the line and their effect is greater the longer the line.". Also if somewhere along your line, it runs beside VDSL circuits, it will pick up cross talk - something which increases the greater the number of coadjacent VDSL circuits. So whilst you might not see any changes, you have no knowledge of how the change of the environment elsewhere might impact your service. As I said - physics is physics and you cannot change that.
Changing the line profile to run at 3dB might make the synch speed a little faster, but probably less stable and certainly with a higher error rate. A higher error rate will entail a higher data retransmission rate and thereby a lower effective throughput speed. With lines at the margin as yours is (predicated by the distance between you and the exchange) a slower sync speed might well deliver a higher data throughput speed because of the reduction in errors and retransmission. Sometimes you can get more usable speed with a lower sync rate.
What should you do?
- Switch to FTTC if is available
- Investigate the options for mobile borne internet (4G)
- Move closer to the exchange
- Accept that ADSL at 6.5km is barely viable and sometimes you will be disappointed
As someone has mentioned, copper does "degrade" over time, notably the joints ... if an actual fault can be identified, it might be possible to have BTOR inspect and remake all of the joints on your line - but that could be a long haul. Do you know how far you are from the green cabinet? If you are fairly close to the green cabinet then you might have a short d-side circuit which would be a much smaller challenge to have inspected.
@adam945 is a d-side swap a viable approach here?
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Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
12-01-2022 7:27 PM
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@stathe wrote:
Why should things be worse now than they used to be ?? Everything should improve
Well, where I live, neither ADSL or terrestrial RF reception is improving over time. Quite the opposite.
Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
15-01-2022 5:21 PM
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Unfortunately changing my profile has actually degraded my speed, I have been here before and I have been complaining on and off for years usually with improvements Seem now to be surrounded by SOME doom and gloom merchants I cant move I have been here for 86 years also been with Plusnet for a long time and dont want to spend more money Further to my original query why should I disconnect every morning to retain what I have
Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
16-01-2022 2:05 PM
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IMO, with Line Attenuation: 69.5 dB, 44.0 dB you won't be getting a reliable service at 3 dB SNRM, which is why you are now on 6 dB.
Is FTTC available or not in your area? If it is - I am unsure on this matter - then I assume that is the way to go if you need higher speed.
Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
17-01-2022 3:24 PM
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Fibre Not available here or any where near. I was previously for a long time on a lower than six margin without a problem why do they not try me at say four or five This has been discussed a long time ago (years maybe ) here
Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
17-01-2022 5:23 PM
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The options are in 3dB steps ... unless you chose to buy a router which is capable of nullifying (and causing problems) with the DLM's management of the line.
What is the issue you are trying to fix here? Sure raw sync speed might be tweaked a little ... but to what benefit if on such a long line, the disconnection frequency is increased and error retransmissions reduce the effective data transfer rate? A fast sync rate does NOT assure a faster data transfer rate - sync speed is simply a measure of how fast zeros and ones can be pushed down the line - data transfer rate is how quickly usable zeros and ones can be transferred WITHOUT ERRORS.
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Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
17-01-2022 5:42 PM
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Have not had a problem with disconnections in the past just want to have a speed nearer 2 than 1 to enable me to use Meet and What's ap with my family. and I have had this in the past ,, Without spending too much . I also need to keep my Plusnet email address which I have had for a long time and is linked to a number of things important to my family and myself
Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
17-01-2022 5:59 PM - edited 17-01-2022 6:01 PM
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Is your router plugged into the master socket or into an extension socket? Also, what model router do you have?
Some may be better than others under difficult conditions and people here may be able to advise which are best.
Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
18-01-2022 8:12 AM
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Hello @stathe
I'd be happy to change your connection profile from "stable" to standard", however this might have a negative affect on the line stability. Do you want me to go ahead?
Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
18-01-2022 10:36 AM
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Master socket
Re: Useless Plusnet Now ??
18-01-2022 10:40 AM
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Also as above do you want Plusnet to remove you from the STABLE profile? It is highly probable that you will see more disconnections… which could invoke automatic DLM line management action.
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