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I umm'ed and ahhh'ed about whether to ever post on this thread, as I always got the impression that the OP didn't want to hear the truth, but these two bits are so contradictory that it made me laugh...
| Quote from: pieplanter | - to everyone out there, on the 'this is only an estimated speed' bandwagon, ...
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To me it seemed that if one of the experts around here (and there are quite a few, customers & community members alike) told the OP something that wasn't liked, then they got labelled as part of a brigade or bandwagon.
Unfortunately, it's not a good way to inspire those self-same experts to want to help out. It is a shame, because there is a lot of help available in here.
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I, too, wondered about whether or not it would serve any useful purpose to reply to your post but on reflection, it made me realise that we were straying too far away from the reason why I posted in the first place. Before I expand on that, though, it is only right and proper that I apologise to anyone that took offence to the tone of my posting; that was not my intention .
This whole thread, which I started on the 7th November is only about 'estimated FTTC speed', so the opportunity for anyone to contribute to the subject was there from the very outset. It was 2 days into the thread that @Jaggies posted, '..
.estimates are just that and can't be taken as Gospel'. To me this sounded like a capitulation so whether or not it was a poor call, I used the 'band wagon' analogy to derail that argument which, it is my view, added nothing to the debate. Here, then, is a precise of why we're still talking about this;
- When I signed up, Plusnet told me that they
carried out a line test and that I could expect a speed of 33Mb +/- 1Mb. They called this their
estimated speed which, in my mind, I converted to 32 - 34Mb. For the upload speed, I was working to a spread of 4 - 6Mb.
- When Plusnet installed fibre broadband, we initially got 35Mb, which very quickly slipped to 25Mb, then 18Mb, then 10Mb. BTOR told me that this was the result of computer line management.
- Four engineers visits later, BTOR tell me that, at the very best, our line will support 18Mb. The reason for this, they say, is that the length of our line (that is, the copper bit from the 'superfast' cabinet [which I know is referenced P22] to the distribution point near our house) is 1771m and, as a direct consequence, we suffer from what BTOR describes as 'long line' syndrome. In fact, until I am contradicted, I would go one step further and say that, at that distance, our property is not a candidate for 'superfast' broadband; households on ADSL are out-performing us.
- As of today,
https://portal.plus.net/my.html?action=stable_rate, is still showing '
estimated line speed: 33Mb (Accurate to within +/- 1Mbit)(not +/- 15 or 23Mb) - Checked on 2012-11-12 21:49:20 The evidence thus far is that Plusnet has made a serious error in their calculation of the 'estimated speed'. If that is the case, then I would just like them to come clean
(Transparency, please, with estimated FTTC speed). If they haven't then a simple explanation is fine.
For my last points:
- It worried me a little that, in your original post, you suggested the 'regulars' were not 'inspired' to respond to bolshy posters. To me, that contradicts the community spirit of this forum (everybody could learn) and implied a certain degree of elitism. Fortunately you dispelled that notion in a subsequent post.
- In your post at 23.32, you said that an estimate based on incorrect information wasn't a bad estimate or miscalculated estimate. That made me chuckle. In a pure mathematical sense what you say is true, but as far as the end product is concerned for the end user, it is nothing but a
wrong estimate. And they shouldn't be expected to tolerate it. So, thank you for supporting my cause!
