ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
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ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
10-08-2011 9:57 PM
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I've just had a telephone engineer install an additional telephone socket in my house. This is not a new telephone line, simply an additional socket on an existing line. It would seem that the engineer has wired directly into the junction box outside my house. The new socket is only a few metres away from this box. I can use a phone without any problems on this new socket, howerver I cant get my router to connect to the Internet.
Internet connectivity on other phone sockets in the house continue to work correctly.
Has the engineer done something wrong? Should he have wired the new socket through the master socket in the house? Is there anything that I can do to get this socket to connect to the Internet?
Thanks,
Ben.
Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 12:53 AM
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It is likely it is coming through the master socket and that he has used a spare pair of wires to get back to the junction box and then connected that to the extension (at least that is what he should have done!).
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Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 9:39 AM
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I'd get him back to do it properly (NOT as Jelv suggests ) with a dedicated cable all the way from the new socket to the master.
Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 12:32 PM
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Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 12:58 PM
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No doubt someone with more time than I have today will explain at length.
Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 1:10 PM
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Logically using a spare pair of wires back to the junction box is no different to using any hard wired extension for broadband and although not optimal is not inherently worse.
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Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 1:29 PM
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If i'm understanding the situation correctly, you can use the phone no problems in all sockets and you can connect to broadband from all sockets except the newly install socket.
Can you confirm that you only have a single telephone line at the property? (i.e. all lines are linked to the same telephone number.)
Also i'd recommend you try your router in the engineers testing socket as pictured below:
This will validate that your line is working correctly and therefore correctly installed by the engineer. You can then work through connecting to each of your extensions sockets to trace where the issue lies. Bear in mind that with the master socket front plate removed all of your extensions will be disconnected and only the test socket will be live.
Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 1:51 PM
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Quote from: jelv Logically using a spare pair of wires back to the junction box is no different to using any hard wired extension for broadband and although not optimal is not inherently worse.
But the spare pare of wires need to be attached to the detachable faceplate of the master socket whilst sharing a cable with wires that are attached to the fixed part of the master socket. That sounds like it could be a bit awkward, although I guess not if done well.
Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 5:23 PM
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Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 5:24 PM
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Quote from: Alex Hi bbrazil thanks for getting in touch,
If i'm understanding the situation correctly, you can use the phone no problems in all sockets and you can connect to broadband from all sockets except the newly install socket.
Can you confirm that you only have a single telephone line at the property? (i.e. all lines are linked to the same telephone number.)
Also i'd recommend you try your router in the engineers testing socket as pictured below:
This will validate that your line is working correctly and therefore correctly installed by the engineer. You can then work through connecting to each of your extensions sockets to trace where the issue lies. Bear in mind that with the master socket front plate removed all of your extensions will be disconnected and only the test socket will be live.
Alex you need to add that when using the test socket he needs to check that the extension socket has stopped working. If the extension is still working it is wired incorrectly.
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Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 10:31 PM
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First of all, thank you all very much for your responses.
Alex, in response to your questions, yes I can use a phone from all sockets in the house and can attach my broadband router successfully in all sockets in the house apart from the newly installed socket. I forgot to mention in my original post that when a telephone is connected to the new socket the phone does not ring when an incoming call comes in.
So, here is some more information. The person who carried out the work was not a BT engineer, although he claims to be an experienced telephone engineer!
I have two separate telephone lines / numbers coming into my house.
I've carried out some tests as suggested. First of all I have removed the faceplate from the master socket and have connected my router via a microfilter to the engineers testing socket. The router was able to connect to the Internet without issue. However, whilst the master socket faceplate was removed, my other sockets continued to work, including the newly installed socket. I gather therefore something is wrong with the wiring.
The engineer who performed this work didn't touch the master socket.
I have attached a photo of the master socket with the faceplate removed:
I have also attached a photo of the newly installed socket.
Is there anything visibly wrong with the wiring from this end?
If you can see any problems can you advise what needs to be done to rectify the problem? Is this easy to do?
Many thanks for all suggestions and help.
Ben.
Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 10:37 PM
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Quote from: bbrazil although he claims to be an experienced telephone engineer!
It sounds like he has years of experience of being useless!
If an extension still works when the faceplate is removed from the master socket the wiring is wrong. No ifs or buts, its wrong!
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11-08-2011 10:50 PM
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11-08-2011 10:54 PM
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Quote what are the implications of having a master socket incorrectly wired?
Anything from cross-talk, bad interference, crappy broadband speeds/throughput/lots of errors on the line (= packet loss), to a totally non working service.
Amazingly theres been a few cases of "badly" wired up Master sockets in the last few weeks... BT + Training =
Quote If you can see any problems can you advise what needs to be done to rectify the problem
If the issue is BEHIND the test socket (e.g. you had to remove the faceplate to notice) its BT's problem, and BT need to sort it. (Altering anything beyond here, which causes an issue could result in a fine/cost incurred for repair work)
With that said, I'm sure someone who's done it before will probably give you some other advice (but id expect the best course of action is to get PN to kick BT (and probably best if they remove the lot and start over, with a brand spanking new* master socket)
* = new as in terms of set up and wired, rather than new kit 😛
Regards
Re: ADSL wont connect on newly installed telephone socket
11-08-2011 11:20 PM
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Quote from: bbrazil I've just had a telephone engineer install an additional telephone socket in my house. ..... I can use a phone without any problems on this new socket, howerver I cant get my router to connect to the Internet.
Quote from: bbrazil when a telephone is connected to the new socket the phone does not ring when an incoming call comes in.
Quote from: bbrazil The engineer who performed this work didn't touch the master socket.
Surely this is just a case of some cowboy making a complete mess?
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