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Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Toolbox
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Very well put Tigy.
How about every ISP giving out multiple IP's for every connection (And the laws being changed that your information does not have to be on nominet data base) then you can assign an individual IP to every computer in your house that uses the internet.
zubel
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

IPV6. 
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Dom
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Quote from: Toolbox
Very well put Tigy.
How about every ISP giving out multiple IP's for every connection (And the laws being changed that your information does not have to be on nominet data base) then you can assign an individual IP to every computer in your house that uses the internet.

I don't think that would work unless you had a separate internet connection (i.e. phone line) for every person in the house.
I may be wrong though, especially if it's possible to assign multiple IP addresses to a single internet-connected device. I wasn't aware that it was possible though.
et0
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Theoretical question:
The users who've had these letters from ACS Law, and pay up.  Does the ISP then drop them, since they've admitted breaching the terms of service, regarding copyrighted stuff?
fourfourdevon
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Quote from: Dom
I don't think that would work unless you had a separate internet connection (i.e. phone line) for every person in the house.
I may be wrong though, especially if it's possible to assign multiple IP addresses to a single internet-connected device. I wasn't aware that it was possible though.
technology wise its perfectly possible, although many consumer class routers would get very confused.
However, there are not enough IPv4 addresses in existance to actually do it.
However, yet again, this is infact exactly what IPv6 does, the normal allocation to one consumer router on IPv6 addresses is 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 (18 quintillion) unique IPs, which should be enough for every computing device in your home I would have thought.
fourfourdevon
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Quote from: et0
Theoretical question:
The users who've had these letters from ACS Law, and pay up.  Does the ISP then drop them, since they've admitted breaching the terms of service, regarding copyrighted stuff?
No, quite apart from anything else Plusnet (et al) have no right to know the content of any agreement or correspondence between you and ACS:Law
Dom
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

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technology wise its perfectly possible, although many consumer class routers would get very confused.

And I suppose 99.9% of broadband customers would only have your average consumer-grade router. I know that's all we've got.
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However, yet again, this is infact exactly what IPv6 does, the normal allocation to one consumer router on IPv6 addresses is 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 (18 quintillion) unique IPs, which should be enough for every computing device in your home I would have thought.

Am I reading that correctly? You're saying that for every internet connected device using IPv6, that device is assigned 18 quintillion different IP addresses? I know IPv6 was designed to provide a LOT of IP addresses, but that sounds a bit mad/unecessary...
Huh
zubel
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

yup, it's approximately 18 quintillion, give or take a few allocated to the ROUTER, which can suballocate them into it's address space.

Of course, when IPV4 was devised, it was pretty difficult to imagine we would exhaust the address space.
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Dom
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Well we've learnt our lesson, then. Tongue
Mand
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

Quote from: Barry
yup, it's approximately 18 quintillion, give or take a few allocated to the ROUTER, which can suballocate them into it's address space.

Of course, when IPV4 was devised, it was pretty difficult to imagine we would exhaust the address space.
B.

Least there's room for growth there. Wink
foxtrck
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

So when will I receive an answer to my support question?
I thought PN were *working closely with those directly involved to sort out the situation and avoid further damage*?
Seems as though they spend more time on these forums.
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

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I've asked the question re attendance to the next hearing, and I will chase this.

To be crystal clear on this, Gallant Macmillan are using the services of an expert barrister: Tom Moody-Stuart. If Plusnet send a standard numpty from BT Legal team then it will not cut the mustard. Your customers do not want you just showing up as a token gesture - you need to contest this application strongly.
The hearing is on Monday and any sensible person will see that in order to contest this with any degree of competence will require preparation. Plusnet need to have an expert barister in place by the close of business today at the very latest. To enter that court room without giving a barrister a day to prepare would be making an utter mockery of the process and of your customers.
I expect to read today that a barrister is beginning preparations.
Edit: typo
Mand
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

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So when will I receive an answer to my support question?
I thought PN were *working closely with those directly involved to sort out the situation and avoid further damage*?
Seems as though they spend more time on these forums.

We (the Digital Care Team) are answering the tickets specific to this issue and the forum threads relating to it (I'm fairly sure you know that as you've posted our responses here).  Therefore if one is particularly busy the other will not get attention for a while (I'm sure this is preferable to having people who are not aware of the issues answering questions).
If you raise a standard ticket it may take a little while to get to us, as it will need to be passed from a standard ticket pool.
foxtrck
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

It is obvious that Plusnet are not putting their resources into contesting Monday's order, so I don't know why people are still going on about it. Do you really think they will have an expert legal team in-house????Huh
NO
Because they use BT Legal team which caused this whole incident in the first place RE: PRAKASH MISTRY
foxtrck
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Re: Plusnet will give your personal details to ACS Law with not informing you!!

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Quote from: foxtrck
So when will I receive an answer to my support question?
I thought PN were *working closely with those directly involved to sort out the situation and avoid further damage*?
Seems as though they spend more time on these forums.

We (the Digital Care Team) are answering the tickets specific to this issue and the forum threads relating to it (I'm fairly sure you know that as you've posted our responses here).  Therefore if one is particularly busy the other will not get attention for a while (I'm sure this is preferable to having people who are not aware of the issues answering questions).
If you raise a standard ticket it may take a little while to get to us, as it will need to be passed from a standard ticket pool.


It is the same ticket that was opened in my account when you told me my details had been leaked, and yes I did post some answers here because it was relevant at the time for others to know.