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flexo1966
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Re: Website Restrictions

Maybe someone from plusnet can confirm or deny this.
Townman
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Re: Website Restrictions

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I don't want to see the price of broadband rise for me as a result.  Because, like Anotherone, I suspect this is a major project for an ISP.

One way or another this will not be cheap - not only is the implementation cost significant (facilitating selection of service, connectivity being routed differently through to filtering service, addition of connection by connection custom filters), there are also operational and maintenance costs, to say nothing of the inevitable litigation costs when it goes wrong.  For it will fail and one day someone is going to sue for compensation, irrespective of the limited liability clauses.
It is not dissimilar to clearing the snow off the pavement in front of your house.  It sounds reasonable and sensible, however if having cleared the snow and someone slips on a bit you left behind, you are liable and could risk being sued for compensation because your actions created a false sense of safety / you were negligent in not doing a proposer job.  However if you leave it alone and someone slips on it, you have no liability.

Superusers are not staff, but they do have a direct line of communication into the business in order to raise issues, concerns and feedback from the community.

ejs
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Re: Website Restrictions

Perhaps BT Group could save money then by closing down Plusnet and transferring all Plusnet customers to BT.
Anotherone
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Re: Website Restrictions

I thought Plusnet was profitable  Shocked
Oh, I forgot, the customer service with BT is poorly supported in the main, overseas call centres, prices generally higher, so yes of course they'd make more profit and then screw us even more Huh
picbits
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Re: Website Restrictions

But they wouldn't.
Those who are with PN because of the right reasons have enough common sense to jump ship before that happens.
A bit like the BE customers who found Sky were taking over their customer base .....
Mav
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Re: Website Restrictions

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Those who are with PN because of the right reasons have enough common sense to jump ship before that happens.

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picbits
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Re: Website Restrictions

Zen / AAISP ?
Anotherone
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Re: Website Restrictions

I was thinking, yes we may have the sense, but to where? I suspect it might be to another provider with a UK call centre.
ejs
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Re: Website Restrictions

I had another look at some of the ISP filtering news articles. Perhaps it's only the four largest ISPs that agreed to put in the filters, and smaller ISPs won't have to bother.
Ofcom report on the filters: http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/internet/internet-safety-2
flexo1966
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Re: Website Restrictions

It's got to be the way forward. Turn it on when you want and turn it off when you want. simples
I cannot see an argument in that.
Anotherone
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You may be able to turn it on & off at will at TT, but is that also available at all the others, or is it a (semi-)permanent opt-in or opt-out?
And how exactly are TT implementing it in practice? Are they doing something as simple as using OpenDNS? I've no idea.
In any case it'd still be quite an expensive thing to implement as previously mentioned.
ejs
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There's quite a lot of detail and screenshots in that ofcom report. Apparently Sky rely only on DNS and the others can also block based on URLs, to only block certain parts of a website.
meem
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Re: Website Restrictions

Quote from: flexo1966
It's got to be the way forward. Turn it on when you want and turn it off when you want. simples
I cannot see an argument in that.

Simply take a look at the evolution of content filtering in the UK to see that in practise. BT started content filtering with Cleanfeed for the sole purpose of blocking child porn (like all noble ideas, they start with good intentions). It's now used to block torrent index sites - WTF!!
No doubt the ability to turn it fully off would slowly erode (in fact, it's not possible to turn off the existing content filtering)
A little bit of censorship is never a good idea. Seriously, try North Korea. It may be more to your liking.
flexo1966
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Re: Website Restrictions

Just a simple button that can help people that are not internet savy to moderate what they or their children see.
It's never going to be a perfect system I know that, but everybody can have the option to either use it or not.
If your against then don't use....simples.
Townman
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Re: Website Restrictions

That is just the point - it is not simple - if it were, there would be less debate.  It is complex and it is expensive.

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