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dogwhisperer
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Re: Migration Query

Thanks Adam,
Just a note to let you know I have now read this....
I will post here and in the ticket of any developments that I am aware of.......
adamwalker
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Re: Migration Query

OK, cheers.
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dogwhisperer
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Re: Migration Query

ffs.....here we go again......
BT engineer just called me called Alfie, he has no job history and doesn't know what to do, he was not aware of doing the e-side cabling or lift and shift, I updated him and now he is calling the help desk to find out what to do and call me back....
As its now late in the day I cant see anything happening as it was supposed to and he has a 2 hour limit....
WHAT A JOKE!
adamwalker
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Re: Migration Query

I'm on the phone to BT now.
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win7xp
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Re: Migration Query

Whatever happened to the mysterious SFI interventions team then ?
Last engineer obviously not tasked by them
dogwhisperer
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Re: Migration Query

Hi Adam,
BT engineer turned up at my house first (as I knew he would) and started all over again from scratch, he spent 2 hours testing all the stuff they did with the last 4 visits and spent most of the time on the phone to the last engineer who worked on the job, BT wharehouse and BT assurance.....and when his 2 hours where up he left.....none of this was his fault and was a pleasant chap, I don't blame him at all...
So it wasn't 5th time lucky!!!!
I think I now know why the communication between you and BT is so poor, it seems that plusnet deal with BT assurance who then pass the details of the job to BT wharehouse which the engineer picks up what to do, in this case (and probably the others) BT assurance didn't pass on to BT wharehouse the information of what to do.......hence no work to the e cabling and no lift and shift was done and the engineer just wasted 2 hours at my house for no reason....I even had to have a test done on my router, which was a pain the you know what......after all this its just laughable.....my router past their tests by the way.....in fact my router could get 30% more sync speed than their JDSU equipment which just shows you how rubbish that is......it doesn't even give accurate line attenuation as its based on USA format and BT engineers have to add about 10db to give them a rough guide......
Towards the end of his 2 hours he gets a call from BT assurance to request him to do the work advised and that more time has been added to the job, he says he finishes for the day and cannot continue and they agree that yet another visit will be needed........
The BT engineer can only accept calls from BT assurance, he cannot call them to check about a job, its ironic that a communications company do not allow 2 way communication....!!!!!!!!!!
I will know only allow BT into my house after they have done the work advised, the e-cabling and the lift shift, I am not going waste another afternoon of my time.....
dogwhisperer
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Re: Migration Query

The only thing this visit managed to achieve was kill my sync speed further, not just download but upload as well, my upload is now 584 and not the 750 ish that it normally is.....
All this beggars belief, it really does...........
adamwalker
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I've only just come off the phone now. Its hard to know where to begin, but here goes. When we book engineer tasks such as what has been mentioned here and involve specific notes to be passed on to the engineers we first contact a BT Wholesale service management centre who then add the notes via an internal system, these are then made available to the engineers by their local control teams. There is evidently one or more points of failure here that must be addressed. We are collating evidence about these issues and will look to raise awareness of this internally so we can push back to our suppliers more effectively.
Looking forwards on this one this is now to be escalated with a high level complaints team,  then if necessarry directly with our BT Wholesale account manager.
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I will know only allow BT into my house after they have done the work advised, the e-cabling and the lift shift, I am not going waste another afternoon of my time.....
I really do not blame you for looking at things this way. It has now come to light that even though we were led to believe that the E-side cable repairs and lift and shift were still incomplete, the engineer who visited you today has checked and can confirm that these tasks were highlighted on Monday.
To cut a long story short I will escalate this case to the highest level possible tomorrow and will come back to you with a course of action which should not involve any engineer visits and we will do our utmost to avoid any more pain, frustration or wasted time.
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dogwhisperer
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Re: Migration Query

Hi Adam,
Many thanks for your detailed reply......
I sincerely hope that the information in this thread will help plusnet and BT to improve things for the future, not only for customers like myself so any future unnecessary pain, frustration and wasted time can be avoided, but also for plusnet and BT as well....as this avoidable situation and situations similar when added up most cost both companies a fortune....
I think the information and evidence in this thread could and should be viewed from the highest level possible at plusnet and BT, not just the fault I am experiencing but also the total lack of communication between plusnet, BT assurance, BT wharehouse, BT engineer and the end user......having all those in the chain of communication will have its obvious problems and one weak link in the chain and the whole thing falls over as we have seen....
I suggest plusnet print off all the information in this thread and post it to the chairman of plusnet and BT, marked private and confidential, so their secretary's or personal assistants can't open it....
adamwalker
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Re: Migration Query

I'm about to start chasing this again now for you and will provide an update shortly.
The information from this case will be presented to our suppliers at director level as part of a service review at the end of this month, so some good should come of the issues encountered here.
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Following a discussion with my point of escalation at BT wholesale we have agreed that some checks need to be done against the work carried out on the 28th. Before we can outline if any physical checks need to be done at the exchange discussions need to take place between Wholesale and the Openreach engineer who carried out the job.
To go into further detail it seems that a limited number of pairs were available when the exchange side cable was replaced and some issues of quality were noted so we need to clarify if your line was re terminated onto the most appropriate tie pairs (i.e ones which would facilitate an improved service rather than the contrary as you are seeing now).
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dogwhisperer
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To cut a long story short I will escalate this case to the highest level possible tomorrow and will come back to you with a course of action which should not involve any engineer visits and we will do our utmost to avoid any more pain, frustration or wasted time.

Hi Adam,
You mentioned yesterday that you will escalate the case to the highest level, from what you tell me today that does not appear to be the case, or is that the highest level you can go to? if so doesn't sound like anything is going to happen yet again
Considering what has happened, this seems a very weak response and way of dealing with it ,what you tell me is going to happen today that they are going to have a discussion with the engineer is just not good enough, they seem to be better at defending their position than sorting problems out.....
They obviously do have a way of sorting this if they wanted to, a BT manager lives just up the road from me in a place called Penn, later this year they are bringing fibre to the cabinets in my area, the BT manager has managed to wangle it so his cabinet is done first, so that hardly seems like they give two monkeys about the customers.....
The BT engineer who came yesterday told me (as all the other 4 engineers that have been to my house) that the jobs this side of my cabinet are a nightmare as since December they have had major problems with said cabinet, for example the previous engineer couldn't get sync at the cabinet but I could at my house.....
I have had further discons and loss of sync this morning and my sync speed has deteriorated further slightly down and up and my download speed has now gone down to 1680 kps.......
dogwhisperer
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Re: Migration Query

I have just done a BT speed test and noticed that my profile is now 1750......before the latest 'fix'....my profile was 2500..........
As you can see I am slowly melting into oblivion...... Angry
adamwalker
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As things stand I have not yet escalated this to the highest point possible, doing so at the moment would be counter-productive. The reason behind this is that my escalation point at BT (who is a wholesale SMC team leader) is aware of the full details of the case and is not on shift at the moment, taking this off their hands now would delay things further as it would invoice someone else investigating and reviewing the full history of your case.
The person in question is going to come back to me this afternoon with the information I need, this will then enable me to raise this to the high level escalations team and get our final point of escalation which is our wholesale account manager involved.
No issues have been found at the cabinet that could affect you individually. The issue at present seems to be with the pairs used to reterminate the line at the exchange following the replacement of the E-side cable so we will continue to focus our efforts there, it may not be pleasant to consider but at present I would not want you to expect the best from your service and you will most likely experience disconnections and issues with speed until we get this fully resolved.
I'll come back to you later this afternoon when we have more news.
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dogwhisperer
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Thanks Adam,
It makes sense you talk to the team leader with the history, so ok we will wait for that....
What I don't like is that the 'story' keeps changing from BT, they won't supply evidence of the work they have claimed to have done so far, frankly I don't believe a word they say and I will treat anything they tell you as hearsay unless they provide you with evidence to back it up.....
The fact that they have to discuss with the engineer what he did tells me that they don't even know themselves what work has been done.
As we know their system is flawed..