A question about FTTP installation

[#1]

Hello Folks,

We're about to switch to Plusnet and FTTP.

We currently have FTTC and presumably copper wire from the cabinet to our house.

My question is, how much physical disruption will this involve?

Currently the phone line comes into the garage and through a hole into the house. Can the fibre cable simply use the same route, or will there be more drilling?

Any information much appreciated.

Thanks in anticipation.

M

[#2]

Moderator's note:
Thread moved from Broadband to My Order 

[#3]

Thanks Baldrick1.

Apologies for the error.

[#4]

@H3len1707 

Have a look at the following

https://www.openreach.com/help-and-support/full-fibre-broadband-installation-checklist#accordion-b43...

An external box (CSP) is required and an internal box (ONT). The latter needs a power source. Your router connects via ethernet cable.

Thre is a certain leeway as to where the CSP and ONT are located. You speak to the engineer on the day, tell then what you'd like or where you plan to have the router and then agree a route for the fibre.

Brian

[#5]

Thanks Brian.

The site you pointed me to mentions "Both should be positioned close together and near the double power sockets you prepared earlier". Trouble is, there isn't a double power socket either in the garage or in the room where the router needs to be...

I'm attaching an image of the 'box' I believe brings in the current copper wire from  a manhole in the road. Will this become redundant and have to be replaced by the CSP?

I'm beginning to wish I didn't need FTTP, but as I understand it, there's no other option once BT switches off the copper network. Is that correct?

Thanks for your input.

[#6]

@H3len1707 The ONT and router do not need to be 'positioned close together and near the double power sockets you prepared earlier".' So long as you can run an Ethernet cable between them, they can be up to ~100m apart.

[#7]

Thanks John.

So, if I understand this correctly, there needs to be a box on the wall outside and another box on the wall inside. How are they connected? And how is the outside one connected to the cabinet?

Also, is the thing in the image I posted relevant?

I'm finding this all very confusing...

Thanks for your help.

M

[#8]

Correct, @H3len1707 . the box on the outside is connected by fibre cable to a CBT (Connecterised Block Terminal) in/on either the underground chamber - for underground feeds, or the  top of telegraph poles - for overhead feeds, and the outside one is connected to the inside one with another cable.

FTTP does not go anywhere near the cabinet, it runs direct to  a head-end in an  exchange.

Don't know what your picture shows, it has to be released by a mod/Super User before it is visible to the forum - I'll request its release.

[#9]

Thanks again John, you're helping a lot.

So when I left the house not so long ago and found two openreach engineers working in a manhole, presumably they were connecting cables from the exchange, not from the cabinet across the road?

Mike

[#10]

Correct, @H3len1707  if the work was associated with FTTP installation, it may not have been.

[#11]

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@H3len1707 wrote:

The site you pointed me to mentions "Both should be positioned close together and near the double power sockets you prepared earlier". Trouble is, there isn't a double power socket either in the garage or in the room where the router needs to be...

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I'm afraid that installing fibre is more complex then just connecting a terminal box as used with copper. If the duct is clear then this will be used. The fibre from here will need to be terminated in the internal ONT box close to a power socket, by either routing it internally or externally around the building. This is something to be discussed with the installer on the day. If  this is inconvenient for the router location then you can locate the router elsewhere but you will be responsible for installing an Ethernet cable between the ONT and router. 

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@Baldrick1 It is true that the end-user is responsible for routing (and supplying) the ONT>router cable, but the same could be said for the one between a router and a desktop computer, if the two were not in close proximity.

(thanks for releasing the image)

@H3len1707 the image you posted in message #5 is a cover over the cable for the current telephone cable into your house, and may be possibly used for your FTTP cable also - the entry point is obviously quite a distance above ground and they obviously thought the cable needed protection. I have seen similar covers previously.

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@H3len1707 

If you looked at the Checker I referenced what does it say for the FTTP installation below the results window. Mine said something like "UG Duct provan clear"

I knew this anyway as the chamber is in my neighbours garden and I watched them check the duct and leave a draw rope in place.

The first image (when it clears moderation) is of my cabinet with the Connectorized Block Terminal (CBT) in place. The fibre cable plugs into this and is then run through the duct to the property. You can see the blue draw ropes left in place. The incoming fibere cable is protected with the yellow spiral cover.

The second picture shows both an ONT (center) and a CSP (right of image). It so happens on this install it was done in the loft from an overhead feed so the installer was happy to do both indoors. The grey box normally sits on a wall outside. You can aslo see an ethernet cable running downstairs to the router (installed by the property owner).

The pricture you showed is of an "elephants foot" (a nice non technical term). It covers the top the the duct with the copper cable in it. This is your starting point with the fibre coming up the duct so the CSP will probably be beside this though you can speak to the installer on the day about location.

As already mentioned the router can go anywhere you're happy to run ethernet cable. A recent install that was discussed ended up with both the CSP and the ONT inside the garage with the home owner looking to to sort out his internal cabling afterwards.

Brian

Edit :  I was also going to mention the backbone fibre cable goes nowhere near any phone cabinet. It runs all the way back to a Main Exchange which may not be your local Exchange.