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PhilipHeyes
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

Using the link the sender of the recent Boots spam message is a valid email address.

Can anyone see a way to tell if these are being sent via relay.plus.net as an Open Relay from a Plusnet internet connection
or remotely / by using compromised email credentials ?

Townman
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

@PhilipHeyes 

Other than possibly volume and profiling behaviour on a case by case basis, I suggest it is neigh impossible to discern the difference between legitimate use of credentials and compromised use of credentials.  If you have the key to the lock and can turn it, you can enter the house.

 

@Champnet 

Any idea what that checker is actually checking?  I think it does little more than check the domain name.  I tested with notarealperson@mydomin.co.uk and it reported as being OK.  Changed it to .ro and got a BAD report.

Superusers are not staff, but they do have a direct line of communication into the business in order to raise issues, concerns and feedback from the community.

Champnet
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

@Townman  Checker site says :

  • First it checks for email address format.
  • Then make sure that domain name is valid. We also check whether it’s a disposable email address or not.
  • In the final step, It extracts the MX records from the domain records and connects to the email server (over SMTP and also simulates sending a message) to make sure the mailbox really exists for that user/address. Some mail servers do not cooperate in the process, in such cases, the result of this email verification tool may not be as accurate as expected.

The final stage is a standard check but the domain could have a catchall setting.

PhilipHeyes
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

I agree, legitimate use of credentials and compromised use of credentials would look the same.

But my curiosity was, are these SMTP without credentials vs. SMTP authenticated with credentials ( legit or not ),
and I have poured over the email headers of Outlook and Thunderbird for the Boots email and no clues at all.

mrwizard
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

Has there been any further acknowledgement of this spam email issue from Plusnet. As whoever answered my dm on Twitter yesterday that I originally sent on the 26th Sep denied there was any issue.

jab1
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

@mrwizard From what I can gather and infer from information I  have as, like you, a mere forum member, the original issue was rectified, but there have been a couple of quickly squashed further instances, and a further one, still under investigation which started apparently yesterday.

Replies on 'X' should be treated with caution.

John
mrwizard
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

After analysing the header of the one I got yesterday using Claude it seems that these are being sent from someone external to plus net.

  1. Originating IP Address: The bottom "Received:" header shows:
 
 
   Received: from thetrician.plus.com ([209.93.37.125])

The IP address 209.93.37.125 is not a Plusnet IP. Plusnet's infrastructure uses IPs like:

  • 212.159.x.x (seen in the final delivery hop)
  • 84.93.x.x (seen in avasout-ptp-002.plus.net)
  1. Mail Flow: The email traveled:
    • Origin: External server at 209.93.37.125 (outside Plusnet)
    • → Through Plusnet's outbound server (avasout-ptp-002.plus.net)
    • → External filtering service (mail.enmail.co)
    • → Back to Plusnet's Cloudmark Gateway
    • → Final delivery within Plusnet
  2. Suspicious Indicators:
    • High spam score: X-pn-pstn-db:" Spam 99
    • Went through external filtering before final delivery

Conclusion: This is an email that originated externally (from IP 209.93.37.125) and was likely sent through a compromised Plusnet email account or relay, which explains why it passed through Plusnet's outbound server before being filtered and delivered back to a Plusnet recipient. It's almost certainly spam/phishing.

jab1
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

It is definitely spam, and as I said, the source/routing is under investigation, but this is not an 'instant fix' situation.

The originating IP is a PN (BT) address, which makes me suspicious of Claude - whatever/whoever that is.

Also mail.enmail.co is the Enix mail server, which mail now goes through (in preparation for the transfer of the Plusnet mail service).

John
PhilipHeyes
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

In mrwizard's copy :

DNS records for 125.37.93.209.dyn.plus.net


In my copy :

Received: from thetrician.plus.com ([51.7.186.17])


DNS records for 17.186.7.51.dyn.plus.net

jab1
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

Who's copy, @PhilipHeyes ?

John
PhilipHeyes
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

I have a new spam Boots email from  <account>@<account>.plus.com

Please advise if there is a place to send the detailed email header info for investigation.

Received: from avasout-peh-002.plus.net (avasout-peh-002.plus.net [212.159.14.18])
	by mail.enmail.co (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D1D81000EA11E13
	for <my.name@account.plus.com>; Mon,  3 Nov 2025 17:08:00 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from <redacted>.plus.com ([80.189.65.148])
	by smtp with ESMTP
Moderator's note:
Personal information removed from a public forum (to an area that staff can see).


Sender IP resolves as :  148.65.189.80.dyn.plus.net




 

 

 

Mardler
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

I have also been getting emails from Germany advertising mountain & electric bikes. Now 2 a day.

Anyone else getting these?

PhilipHeyes
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

Dozens of spam messages are being delivered to our email accounts,
the Plusnet [-SPAM-] flagging system has stopped working.

I started another thread on this :

https://community.plus.net/t5/Email/Spam-not-marked-as-SPAM/td-p/2026611

 

eeyore033
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

My problem with the increase in emails appearing in the "SPAM" folder since the migration to Greenby, is that the alleged "SPAM" messages are being taken from my "INBOX".  Today, several valid messages appeared in my SPAM folder that should have been in my INBOX - two were vital messages.  

My thinking is that the Greenby algorithm for identifying spam is much too aggressive.  On PlusNet accounts, a message placed in the SPAM folder was rare (< 1/month).  True spam ending in my INBOX was also rare (one or two per month).  I was content with the PlusNet arrangement.  But I fear that with the over-aggressive Greenby algorithm, I'm likely to miss something important sooner-or-later.  If it can't be fixed, I'll want to setup automatic forwarding from the SPAM folder to the INBOX folder!

Although there was an option to mark messages as spam to help train the spam recognition, I can't find any way to tell the system "This is NOT spam".

PhilipHeyes
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Re: Someones using my email address to send spam emails - how can I stop it?

At least the GreenBy spam filter is working, that is more than can be said for the Plusnet spam filter.

Does the Greenby email portal have the ability to adjust the sensitivity to spam ?