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VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

BertCoules
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

I'm currently on the Unlimited plan, broadband only.  £20.42 per month.  The email informing me of the price increases says:
Why not take a look at your usage with our View My Broadband Usage tool and see if you could save by making the switch today?
but though I've looked at both the pages linked to, I can't work out if the change would actually be a good one for me.  Clearly, I could save but would it be at the expense of my everyday internet use?  What differences would I see?
I'd appreciate any non-techy words-of-one-syllable advice, please.
Many thanks.
jelv
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

Quote from: fishrow
And consider this: if the customers you want to rip off all changed over to DD then you lose that money. If you then don't increase charges it shows that you didn't need the income on the first place.

Rubbish! If they didn't increase the charge it would prove that on average cards were costing £1.50 per user per month on average (taking in to account all admin costs as well as the cost charged by the bank).
jelv (a.k.a Spoon Whittler)
   Why I have left Plusnet (warning: long post!)   
Broadband: Andrews & Arnold Home::1 (FTTC 80/20)
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Oldjim
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

@Bert Coules
Compare the products here in terms of traffic shaping
http://usergroup.plus.net/prodcomp1.php
James
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

@Bertcoules
For Extra to be a viable option for you, you'd need to roughly half your usage.
So as such, I wouldn't recommend it unless that would be something that you would be happy to do.
BertCoules
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

Oldjim,
Thanks for that link. 
Jameseh,
Thanks very much for that.  Looks like I'm staying with what I've got, biting the bullet and paying the extra, then.
VileReynard
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

Quote from: Bob
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Will they also repair your credit rating etc?

If you're talking about what would happen in the event of us taking a payment in error then no, I doubt we could do anything to repair your credit rating - in exactly the same way we couldn't if the same thing happened with a card payment. I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're getting at with this one if I'm honest so hopefully I've understood correctly? Huh

Normally, going overdrawn may and incurring bank charges could count against you if you should apply for a loan / credit card / mortgage etc.
Hence the phrase "repair of credit rating".
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chappers1
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

A Quick question - hopefully someone can answer
Is the current 25% discount on call rates to mobiles (Talk Anytime package) being removed for existing customers or only new customers after 4th jan?
If the mobile discount is going for all customers and as we do not use the 300 inclusive mins international calls on the current talk anytime package would we be better off changing to the new talk anytime deal?
Thanks


Oldjim
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

I believe the 25% mobile discount is going for all customers as stated in the FAQ
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and we’ll be removing the 25% discount to mobile phone numbers on our Talk Anytime package
I assume from that that the discount was never there for evening and weekend customers.
The answer to your second question is yes
mitchell20
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

Still waiting for a response as to how much it actually cost PN to process a card payment and why ALL other transactions apart from monthly payments ARE NOT subject to the £1.50 CC charge?Huh
Also any particular reason why PN are refusing to acknowledge my complaint via your ticket system (even though the response back from complaints is always via the same ticket system)????
I'm referring to ticket # 37685014, where after asking to have my comments taken further and passed to the customer service director.  The typical robot response I got back was just a link to the code of practice page (and even then it wasn't hyperlinked)

Funny isn't when it comes down to complaints and MAC requests with PN, you have to follow a very set in stone written procedure carefully designed so it's made as difficult as possible which also involves extra costs to you too and failure to follow the instructions means you are back to square one, yet when it comes to tech support and moaning, you can bleat all you want in a ticket or on a forum and hey presto , it gets sorted out for you.
VileReynard
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

I suggest you ask for a MAC code.
See what you are offered.
If it's not used you will remain with Plusnet and if it is used, you can choose someone who doesn't take £1-50.  Smiley

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jelv
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

Quote from: mitchell20
Still waiting for a response as to how much it actually cost PN to process a card payment

It's not just the cost of processing the card payment charged by the bank each time which will be considerably less than £1.50, it's all the associated admin costs, particularly if the payment fails. Taking all that in to consideration (from the figures we've been given I'd estimate they will be dealing with well in excess of 5000* failed card payments every month), £1.50 does not seem at all unreasonable. Don't forget that having to re-attempt the payment doubles the bank fee.
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and why ALL other transactions apart from monthly payments ARE NOT subject to the £1.50 CC charge?Huh

For one off payments the admin costs are much lower, e.g. if it's for the postage for a router and the payment fails Plusnet don't send the router if the payment fails, the user is aware immediately and will sort out the problem and attempt the payment again. If it's a regular payment Plusnet have to do all the debt chasing and take steps to restrict the service, then when the payment is made restore the service.


*How I got 5000
http://www.plus.net/support/service/network_performance/broadband_bandwidth_usage.shtml show the number of users online simultaneously peaking at about 340,000. From what we've seen in the past that probably indicates a total subscriber base of around 400,000
Quote from: Bob
Let's look at it another way then. The failure rate of card payers *far* exceeds that of our Direct Debit payers. The transaction failure rate for Direct Debit averages about 1.5%. The failure rate of card transactions is about 12%. I needed tell you that repeat transactions cost us more money.
Quote from: Bob
I can't remember the exact figures but it's a pretty small percentage of the customer base that are still paying their subscription by card.

It's roughly 15%.

400000 * 15% * 12% = 7200
jelv (a.k.a Spoon Whittler)
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Broadband: Andrews & Arnold Home::1 (FTTC 80/20)
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Aggrieved
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

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I recently had my first bill after having changed my homephone to PlusNet. I left BT after 25 years because the sneakily made a change to the hours for free calls from 6 to 7pm, hiding the info on the back of a letter announcing "good news". Now PlusNet has done the same - I made the change over the phone (a change that cost me a £26 charge from BT for breaking my contract) and the guy dealing with my call didnt pass this info on to me

When did you make the change?

I believe it took effect on 9 November
AndrewD
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

I responded in another thread also but to get all the comments in one place, I have also replied here.
I am very unimpressed with the package changes, having joined for the features and pricing in place a few weeks ago.  Now, within a very short space of time, Plusnet is i) increasing the price of my plan (evening and weekends incl line rental), ii) removing a key feature (300 mins international) and iii) changing the start time to 7pm.  All of these were key reasons for choosing plusnet in the first place!
How can this leave customer's (including myself) feeling anything other than being taken advantaged of, especially as there was no mention at sign up on 15 November? VAT changes is one thing, charge me the extra 2.5% and I will happily pay, but changing key parts of the offer - this is unfair and unjustified!
Will Plusnet be releasing contractual obligations on the basis of the downgraded pricing and features?
AndrewD
Lynda
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

You're in the exact same position I am, AndrewD. I only just signed up last month too and feel totally let down. I've had to re-register for the Anytime service now in order to retain the 300 free minutes I WAS getting as part of the package I agreed to. It would have been the decent thing to advise us of the impending changes. I shopped around for a while to ensure I chose the ISP offering JUST what I needed and probably would have gone elsewhere if I'd known this was coming.............
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Alastair
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Re: VAT Increase & Price Changes - January 2011

Lynda and AndrewD - I'm in the same position in that I spent a good deal of effort deciding which supplier to go with and selected Plusnet on the basis of what was being offered. I would not have signed up on the basis of the new pricing. However, they still want to charge me to release me from the contract. 'Honest'? Robbing so and sos, more like.