First Socket No Improvement

[#1]

This recent dry weather has increased my line errors and tended to drop the line once or twice a day. No master socket, just two old style BT connections. So today I thought I would try the socket closest to the spur. Looking at Kitz and what others have said I hoped to see a big increase to say 5-6meg but no such luck.
Farthest from spur (11:30am) everything connected as normal

Uptime: 0 days, 2:24:25
DSL Type: G.992.5 annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 443 / 3,072
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]: 0.00 / 0.00
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 13.0 / 0.0
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 23.0 / 42.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 24.5 / 13.5
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / IFTN
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 3 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 0
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 189
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 163
Nearest to spur (8:30am) with only filter and router connected

Uptime: 0 days, 0:03:11
DSL Type: G.992.3 annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 443 / 3,072
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]: 0.00 / 0.00
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 13.0 / 0.0
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 23.0 / 39.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 25.0 / 8.5
Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / IFTN
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): 0
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 2 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 0
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 80
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 20
I had the cabling etc ready to go but there isn't much point in moving the router looking at those figures.

[#2]

It's the extension wiring itself that is usually the problem, just by existing it acts as an aerial picking up interference.
So swapping sockets often has minimal effect.
Have you also removed the ring wire as advised by Kitz etc.?

[#3]

I would but it's the older style BT socket so I can't really touch it can I?

[#4]

Damn not even a split front so no i don't think you can do much.

[#5]

Is there any cheap way to get this connection brought into the 21st century?
Am I stuck with bell wire problems, errors, disconnections, dropping speed, unless I pay BT to change it?

[#6]

The stats in your first post are significantly different - you need to look at the noise margin as well as the sync speed.
The first stats (Farthest from spur) are significantly better.

[#7]

Doesn't it seem odd that despite those differences the bandwidth is identical. Like it's stuck.

[#8]

Quote from: billnotben

I can't really touch it can I?

 
Well you might need to take it off the wall to decorate, and some wires might accidentally fall out. 
(as long 2 and 5 stay in you should be OK)
And if you have a telephone fault the BT engineer will probably fit a modern master as part of the fix.........

[#9]

Quote from: HPsauce

Well you might need to take it off the wall to decorate, and some wires might accidentally fall out.  (as long 2 and 5 stay in you should be OK)

It's looking dirty around that plug. With my vacuum cleaner set to turbo maybe the ring wire will get sucked off.

[#10]

HI billnotben,
Am I the only one that noticed the Sky extension plug before the filter? Needs to be the other way around. Filter first with sky extension plugged into that.
Jojo

[#11]

It does look like that but (the first plug) it's actually an old phone extension lead with the filter and phone connected to the other end.
I assume that's right?
We're a Sky free house.

[#12]

If you swap them round you won't need the filter at the other end. Plus it's one less connection between BT and your router. As it is the extension lead could be picking up interference which because it's before the filter for the router could be causing problems.

[#13]

Quote from: jelv

As it is the extension lead could be picking up interference which because it's before the filter for the router could be causing problems.

I'd bet on will not could. 
t'other way round is correct as stated above.

[#14]

You can touch/open this type of socket the BT pins are on the back otherwise how could you wire in any extensions?
The BT line only has 2 incoming wires so anything else is the customer property i.e the ring wire
Puddy

[#15]

Quote from: puddy

otherwise how could you wire in any extensions?

Well, thinking back to the "old days" I believe "you" were only allowed to use plug-in extension wiring with such sockets.
Hard-wired old-style extensions should have only been added by BT engineers.
In fact I have in my posession a British Telecom booklet (PHME 2137/6/89) that explains that it became legal on 1st December 1986 to add your own extensions provided that you used "approved" kits.
This shows clearly that for newer (NTE5A style) master sockets you access the back of the removeable faceplate, but that for older ones you MUST use a plug-in adapter.
Not sure if anything much has changed since then......