Connecting modem to a non-master socket
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Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 6:14 PM - edited 20-06-2020 6:16 PM
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Currently I have my openreach modem and plusnet router connected to a NTE5c master socket. I would like to move the modem and router to a different room. All the rooms in the house have phone sockets that presumably are extensions from the master socket. There is a wire coming from outside into the socket and another leaving it so I presume this runs to the other rooms. Can I just plug the modem and router directly into one of the standard sockets in the other room or will I have to install another master socket in the room that I want to move it to? There is a landline phone plugged in t one of these sockets in the kitchen and it does not use any filter.
Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 6:39 PM - edited 20-06-2020 6:40 PM
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Something to note, is that the longer the router is (by the cable run) there is a chance your speed may drop a little (depending on the quality of the cable and how many extensions are between the extension socket and the master socket.
Just try it and see, then run a speed test to see if there is much difference.
You can also only have 1 router connected at the 1 time. You can use WiFi repeaters tho.
I hope this helps.
Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 6:51 PM - edited 20-06-2020 6:52 PM
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@MMG Good advice there, but one point. If all the other sockets have been correctly wired into the 5c, adding another filter is unnecessary and not recommended as they are 'filtered' by the master socket, unlike previous versions.
Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 7:03 PM
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But I could be wrong, things are always changing 😁
Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 7:25 PM
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@MMG I too could be wrong, but my understanding is that correctly wired extensions do not need extra filters. I'll do a bit of digging later tonight/early tomorrow just to see.
Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 7:45 PM
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It all depends on whether the NTE5C has a filtered faceplate fitted or not. The basic NTE5C is just a master socket but it's usually fitted with a MK4 vdsl faceplate. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/helpandsu... . If the faceplate is present, indicated by separate dsl and phone sockets, then the extensions will almost certainly be filtered. That tends to be confirmed by the OP saying the phone at the extension does not use a filter.
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Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 7:48 PM
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@MisterW Thanks - just saved me opening that search engine to confirm what I had thought.👍
Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 7:51 PM
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I suppose a picture would be good so we can see what his currently installed as the master socket. I suspect if it is ASDL then its possibly a older master socket which doesnt filter.
Just my 2 penny worth lol
Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 7:58 PM
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@MMG I totally agree - a picture paints a thousand words, as they say - although I'm still on ADSL, but have an NTE5C with filtered faceplate.
Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 8:05 PM
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A quick Google on the socket shows the attached, with the extension plugged into the 2 connectors on the left.
https://images.app.goo.gl/cNgsWmJL6PGLkjhC7
Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 8:56 PM
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It doesnt work the way you think. Although the extension terminals are on the back plate, they are not connected via the back plate. The connection to them is made via the faceplate when you clip it on. So if you have a filtered faceplate, the connection to the extension terminals is from the filtered output of the faceplate
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Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
20-06-2020 11:21 PM - edited 20-06-2020 11:40 PM
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It would appear, then, that the OP has a Mk4 filtered faceplate, so the extension(s) will be filtered and therefore not usable for the router.
But, the Mk4 also has an unfiltered outlet, marked A & B, from which an additional extension can be cabled to feed the router.
EDIT: Memory's not so good these days. It may be that the 5C master has the A&B rather than the faceplate. Anyway - one of them definitely does. 🙂
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Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
21-06-2020 12:02 AM
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Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
21-06-2020 10:11 AM
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As the extension cable comes out of the back plate the question is is has it already gone throught the filter or is the front plate the filter.
As I said above, it depends on what faceplate you have ?
Is it a Mk4 with 2 sockets, one for the modem and one for the phone OR is it a single socket and you plug the modem in using a dsl filter ?
If it's a Mk4 with 2 sockets, then your extension wiring will be filtered even though it is connected to the backplate. With the NTE5C , the connection to the extension wiring on the backplate is only made THROUGH the faceplate when it's inserted, even though it appears permanently connected to the backplate.
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Re: Connecting modem to a non-master socket
21-06-2020 6:50 PM
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...I agree with MisterW.
Plus, if you have a NTE5C master socket with a 'standard' faceplate (just one socket) - not the ADSL faceplate with phone and router sockets - it does not, AFAIK, have any electronics in the faceplate; unlike the older NTE5a.
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