Fibre Installation - UG Ducting and OTP Installation point

[#1]

Hello,

I am nearing the end of my current FTTP contract and am now considering where to go for fibre.

I have read in this forum that openreach will install the fibre in the duct that currently contains my phone wires.

Does this mean that the location of the ONT will be near the end of that duct?

As there is no power in that part of the building, can the fibre be taken round the outside to a new location on the side of the property?

[#2]

@TimXJR1300 

I assume you mean FTTC with your current contract.

What does the following say. I'm particualrily interested in the FTTP narrative below the results window.

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL

Your existing duct is indeed the access point to your porperty for fibre cable. However, once it reaches the house then there is some leeway as to where the ONT goes. It's the art of what's possible against what's desired. If there is no power available then the installer will (should) be ameanable to a different location for the ONT.

However, you wouldn't know until the day of install what they are happy to do.

I assume you're aware you'll lose your landline.

Brian

[#3]

Thanks Brian,

yes I am on FTTC at the moment.

The broadband checker shows that everything is good to go FTTP Narrative:-

Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:-Single Dwelling Unit Residential UG premises served by 2.5 Inch plastic duct 56.

FTTP is available and a new ONT may be ordered.

The exchange is not in a current fibre priority programme

As a WLR withdrawal exchange, product restrictions apply

SOADSL is not restricted at the exchange

For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (VDSL or G.fast) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage.

For all SOADSL services,the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage.

Actual speeds experienced by end users and quoted by CPs will be lower due to a number of factors within and external to BT's network, Communication Providers' networks and within customer premises.

If you decide to place an order for a WBC fibre product, an appointment may be required for an engineer to visit the end user's premises to supply the service

In order to be eligible for handback, downstream speed should be less than Downstream Handback Threshold values.

ADSL, ADSL2+ and SOADSL availability: If shown at FTTP or SOGEA premises,ADSL, ADSL2+ and SOADSL are not available to order due to WLR Withdrawal stop sell rules. CPs should order FTTP or SOGEA. Copper products are only available by exception.

Well I guess I will have to hope then can get the cable from the from of the building to the side

[#4]

There are two points of installation:

• CSP (Consumer Splice Point) - this goes outside
• ONT (Optical Network Terminator) - this goes inside, needs power and is where the router's ethernet cable is connected

The standard pre-made fibre 'cables' between CSP and ONT are up to 10m which offers some flexibility.

The CSP MUST be installed at ground level and be accessible for splicing the fibres.  That potentially offers additional flexibility on how far from the duct the connection can be made.

I found the installer (Kellys) very accommodating by installing the CSP some distance from the OH drop on to the property and the ONT on an internal wall (near power and convenient for the existing router [which was next to the NTE5]), it not being the inside of an outside wall.

[#5]

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@Townman wrote:

There are two points of installation:

• CSP (Consumer Splice Point) - this goes outside
• ONT (Optical Network Terminator) - this goes inside, needs power and is where the router's ethernet cable is connected

But the (passive) CSP does not seem to have to go outside - depending on circumstances.

https://www.ofsoptics.com/ip-ofs/EPT-COF-D888%20CSP%20Issue%202%2002%2006%2014.pdf

"The products and practices described in this document support both External and Internal mounted CSPs; the preferred splicing location is External to the customer premise unless conditions dictate differently e.g. Multiple Dwelling Units (MDU) where security or a safe working environment cannot be guaranteed."

[#6]

@TimXJR1300 

Thanks for he information. This shows that there are no expected problems with a FTTP install.

Generally speaking the CSP goes outside unless the house owner has a good reason for it to be indoors and a suitable location for it.

Assuming an external CSP there are two potential options for the ONT. One is to run a cable outside from the CSP round the house and bring it in at the desired location.

The other is to bring the cable in where the Master Socket is (potentially saving a new hole being drilled) and run the fibre cable internally in the house for up to 10 meters. However, this tends to be only in the same room where it comes in. The fibre cable gets stapled to the skirting board.

Where is the MS in reference to the desired location?

If prepared in advance it should be possible to get it to a neighbouring room if you drill through yourself and perhaps put internal cable ducting in place.

Unfortunately however, you just don't know until the day of install.

Brian

[#7]

Thank you for this.

The MS is in the hallway at the front of the house, the desired location is at the rear of the house. I measured the distance to be about 15 cable metres but if it is a fibre it won't go as it will need to go under a stairway, across a doorway and under laminate flooring. I believe you can't bend fibre as much as copper so its' definitely not going that way.

"Assuming an external CSP there are two potential options for the ONT. One is to run a cable outside from the CSP round the house and bring it in at the desired location."

A guess a cable round the outside is the only option

[#8]

@TimXJR1300 

Do you have power available in the hallway?

Unfortunately you just don't know until the day of install when you discuss options with the engineer. A good one will try to work with you to get the desired result. So long as you know the various locations that could work for you in advance.

Another thing to consider is the Router is connected to the ONT by an ethernet cable. This means it can go anywhere you're willing to run said cable - whether internally or externally.

Brian

[#9]

Hi,

No power in the hallway so I guess fibre outside is still my preferred option. The more I think about it, it's the only option.

I guess that's only one way to find out

[#10]

@TimXJR1300 

You don't need to wait for the end of your contract to upgrade.

If you do order FTTP. do let us know how the install goes.

Brian

[#11]

One more question.. or two..

Can I use my own router as I do now with FTTC (Using the WAN port on the router in the FTTP setup)?

Can you separate out the 2.4ghz and 5ghz wifi networks on the new plusnet router?

[#12]

Yes, but check that the router is adequate for the full fibre throughput speeds.

No, the Hub Two does not separate the SSIDs.  Each can be turned off separately.

[#13]

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@TimXJR1300 wrote:

Can I use my own router as I do now with FTTC (Using the WAN port on the router in the FTTP setup)?

Yes.

What router do you intend using ?

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@TimXJR1300 wrote:

Can you separate out the 2.4ghz and 5ghz wifi networks on the new plusnet router?

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No.

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