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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
12-07-2009 12:17 PM
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Quote from: manastro Don't forget there is also a major cost implication in having to install millions of fibre to copper converters in every property, unless someone starts making fibre optic routers and telephones for the home market.
Much work has already been completed on this. A suitable home install 'gadget' is in trial with a target price of $10. I'll see if I can dig out a progress report on where its at.
Quote Even if BT only install the FO cable into the house, it is an awful waste of FO capacity to run only one line down it.
It simply doesn't make economic sense.
True in the short term. But taking the long view of providing 'High Speed Broadband' there is a payback. The debate is really on just how to manage the 'splits', GPON has a way to go to meet all the needs - but is evolving rapidly particularly in the remote management of fault diagnosis.
Note: Even this Wiki entry for GPON can be a bit difficult to follow - but it is good general background.
Maurice
Moderator's Note: Fixed link - David (spraxyt)
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
12-07-2009 1:00 PM
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BT would then be able to properly compete with Virgin media and Sky.
As Maurice says the FO/data / telephone interfaces are simple technology and in the huge volume very cheap.
But I expect BT know all this of course and have plans - as yet unannounced.
i just wish I could get even the announce Fibre to a street cabinet - but being in the country - am unlikely to get it for a few years. maybe I'll just have to move to Edinburgh.
Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
12-07-2009 3:49 PM
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
12-07-2009 4:07 PM
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
12-07-2009 5:26 PM
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1. Allow a monoply to control the infrastructure.
2. State ownership of the infrastructure.
Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
12-07-2009 6:40 PM
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Quote from: itsme 2. State ownership of the infrastructure.
Just what the Australian government has recently done following years of 'debate and foot dragging' with Telstra the main telecoms incumbent. An aggressive 8 year plan to deliver across ALL of Australia.
M
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
14-07-2009 5:06 PM
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
14-07-2009 5:21 PM
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
24-07-2009 4:44 PM
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
24-07-2009 4:54 PM
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
26-07-2009 1:40 AM
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
26-07-2009 11:20 AM
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
26-07-2009 11:45 AM
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What can be said is that the days of copper other than at the periphery of the network are definitely numbered. Technology has already stretched the capacity of what can be achieved over copper well beyond that which can reliably be delivered over more than a few kilometres. cf the ADSL2+ trials and 21 CN rollout - OK for some urban environments but absolutely no use for rural or even the 'edges' of many urban environments.
The capacity of fibre delivery on the other hand is still being enhanced. 1.9 Terabits per second is currently being tested on 80 Km segments - OK so not in commercial use yet, but not far off for real high capacity backbone delivery.
But! It is going to cost. Pandering to the current entrenched commercial interests of the existing suppliers is unlikely to move us very far forward - they have a lot of investment in the 'old' network and would prefer to migrate slowly. It will take a brave Government decision to grasp the nettle and take control of this vital infrastructure component if we as a nation are to maintain a position in the Digital World. Residential broadband delivery is only one component of what we need to be capable of delivering a solid technological future for generations to come.
Maurice
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
28-07-2009 9:54 PM
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Our second FTTC customer went online this evening, there are 6 more who are on the enabled exchanges, whose cabinets are ready and have already expressed an interest in the trial who I'll be contacting in the next week or so once we've completed our router testing.
The purpose of the initial phase of the trial is to get a few customers up and running, see what speeds they get, see what the technology is like, test out a few different routers etc.
For these first few in the learning stage we're not overly concerned about their usage, I've spoken to them both about this already and suggested they might want to test out HD streaming and other high bandwidth applications, they'll both be on BBYW Pro and we've given them some free usage too so they don't have to worry about any extra charges and they can see what the faster speeds will do too.
Looking forward we are thinking about plans for FTTC products but at the moment no pricing has been released from BT Wholesale which makes it difficult at this stage to decide what we'll actually do in terms of product design including the kinds of speeds and usage that would be included.
We've already seen an uplift in usage from customers going on ADSL2+ (we did with Max too) so we're expecting an uplift in usage on FTTC too. How much though is difficult to say. Both of our triallists have gone from sync'ing below 6Mbps to above 20Mbps (I've not got the exact figures to hand) which is quite an increase. That sort of change not just gives plenty of bandwidth for iPlayer in HD (or similar) but allows people to do multiple HD streams and download files, play games, etc. all at the same time.
How many households now have more than 1 PC? And with set top boxes like the new BluRay player that does YouTube and other things and boxes on the way that will do iPlayer, speeds from FTTC will let people do all those things at the same time. For me that's where the big growth in usage will be, sure some people will want the fastest speeds for P2P and other downloads but the right product design can shift a lot of that overnight. It's the how much the interactive and streaming traffic will change that's the interesting question.
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Re: FTTC / VDSL2 trial
28-07-2009 10:20 PM
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Thanks for the update Dave.
I can't wait for my exchange to go live (it's in the recently announced batch). Even with ADSL2+ my line will only sync reliably at under 4Mbps.
James
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