Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting
Its the old "trusted computing platform" raising its head again. They want to STOP you doing what ever you want with YOUR PC. 
OEM's may do it purely because M$ pay them £000's to to do so, but I think it may have a hard time getting through the regulators, even Apple hasn't tried this
Just shows how popular Linux is getting when they are trying to lock it out at the hardware level - much like the Xbox 360 - that would be the only way I could see them getting round it, buy W9 (including a pc to run it on M$ branded)
OEM's may do it purely because M$ pay them £000's to to do so, but I think it may have a hard time getting through the regulators, even Apple hasn't tried this
Just shows how popular Linux is getting when they are trying to lock it out at the hardware level - much like the Xbox 360 - that would be the only way I could see them getting round it, buy W9 (including a pc to run it on M$ branded)
Presumably this also implies that also Windows-8 will not run as a VM, whether hosted on Linux or anything else
I don't really see what Microsoft are trying to achieve with this, because if a customer has a dual booting machine, then Microsoft have already made their money selling a license on that machine
The fact that customers needs dual booting at all must by definition mean that users wants some capability or feature that Windows-8 does not have, therefore would it not make more sense for Microsoft to address whatever these perceived shortcomings are and include them in the Windows-8 release ?. The fact that this issue is being proposed ahead of release looks to me that Microsoft are just going to release the same old recycled rubbish (as always), and not adapt to the current needs or usage patterns of computer users.
I don't really see what Microsoft are trying to achieve with this, because if a customer has a dual booting machine, then Microsoft have already made their money selling a license on that machine
The fact that customers needs dual booting at all must by definition mean that users wants some capability or feature that Windows-8 does not have, therefore would it not make more sense for Microsoft to address whatever these perceived shortcomings are and include them in the Windows-8 release ?. The fact that this issue is being proposed ahead of release looks to me that Microsoft are just going to release the same old recycled rubbish (as always), and not adapt to the current needs or usage patterns of computer users.
Oh dear me. 
Well the paranoid can carry on assuming it's a conspiracy against Linux or whatever.
The more open-minded might find this interesting to read and digest:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/22/protecting-the-pre-os-environment-with-uefi.aspx
Well the paranoid can carry on assuming it's a conspiracy against Linux or whatever.
The more open-minded might find this interesting to read and digest:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/22/protecting-the-pre-os-environment-with-uefi.aspx
Learning from the politicians I see.....
(if you don't like the way the discussion is going, change the subject and attack)
Now if you want real security you need to start with hardware and work up from there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics
(if you don't like the way the discussion is going, change the subject and attack)
Now if you want real security you need to start with hardware and work up from there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics
Now you're talking !, I've worked on both PRIMOS on prime computers, and on Apollo workstations. 
I don't know about "if you don't like the way the discussion is going, change the subject and attack" though, and I'm not paranoid about what Microsoft get up to.
Actually I really don't care what Microsoft do, as I will NEVER spend another penny of my own money on anything they produce.
I am just sick to death of fixing friends and family PCs, because an update failed, ever slowing performance, it won't start, or it's picked up a virus, blah blah blah.
I was for many years a Windows owner, from Windows-286 and EVERY version up to XP, but then discovered the light (of the Penguin) and will never go back as Windows is just so much effort in comparison.
In a way Microsoft have done me a favour, as one of my hobbies is PC building, and I have been donated several perfectly good machines - as their previous owners were forced to 'upgrade' because Windows was running too slowly.
Add a better CPU and some more RAM for a couple of quid from eBay, then install Ubuntu 10.10 and those machines work better than when they were new, with no crashing, no security issues, just a truly joyous machine to use - as it should have been in the first place !
I don't know about "if you don't like the way the discussion is going, change the subject and attack" though, and I'm not paranoid about what Microsoft get up to.
Actually I really don't care what Microsoft do, as I will NEVER spend another penny of my own money on anything they produce.
I am just sick to death of fixing friends and family PCs, because an update failed, ever slowing performance, it won't start, or it's picked up a virus, blah blah blah.
I was for many years a Windows owner, from Windows-286 and EVERY version up to XP, but then discovered the light (of the Penguin) and will never go back as Windows is just so much effort in comparison.
In a way Microsoft have done me a favour, as one of my hobbies is PC building, and I have been donated several perfectly good machines - as their previous owners were forced to 'upgrade' because Windows was running too slowly.
Add a better CPU and some more RAM for a couple of quid from eBay, then install Ubuntu 10.10 and those machines work better than when they were new, with no crashing, no security issues, just a truly joyous machine to use - as it should have been in the first place !
Quote from: HPsauce Oh dear me.
Well the paranoid can carry on assuming it's a conspiracy against Linux or whatever.
The more open-minded might find this interesting to read and digest:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/22/protecting-the-pre-os-environment-with-uefi.aspx
"OEMs have the ability to customize their firmware to meet the needs of their customers by customizing the level of certificate and policy management on their platform "
So Microsoft are shifting the responsibility to the OEMs!
I've just had to buy a new box which inevitably came with Win7 OEM pre-installed. That's not a problem for me except for the unnecessary expense.
Took about 5 mins to wipe the disc.