Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
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Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
21-09-2007 7:54 PM
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My son has just been given a Toshiba laptop by his college to do his work on. But the miserable (college IT department) sob’s have crippled it beyond belief with ‘Deep Freeze’.
Now I understand why they have used the program, kids on the net piling PC’s full of viruses and dross and then taking it back to the IT department to fix up. So whatever he does apart from saving data files to the 1gb ‘Thaw Zone’ will be reset, he can’t even change the screen resolution or unlock the task bar. Adding insult to injury there is a desktop shortcut to Eudora, but when he asked the IT department if he could connect to the internet the curt answer was ‘no!’
So this lad has a spanking new Toshiba PC that the only applications he can use on are office 2003, audacity and the gimp, what a waste! No internet research (or the fun stuff) as the network setup is disabled along with everything else as he is an XP limited user.
So the question was asked… ‘Dad, can you do anything?’
Maybe was the answer … I ‘think’ I could probably use Acronis 10 to make an image of hard drive as it stands then reinstall XP and when he is asked to return it restore the Acronis image. The college gets the same PC back virus free etc and he gets sensible use of a decent computer!
Now, does anyone here have experience of Deep Freeze? Can I do this or is it so clever that my evil plan will be detected? I would hate him to be thrown out of college!
Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
21-09-2007 8:03 PM
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I'm not sure about it detecting that happening, I've personally never tested it and/or had it installed in an environment for me to do so, but I don't see how it would know (it would be similar to the system being switched off for that length of time), unless it calls home to detect changes (which I don't think it can since I remember you saying it doesn't have an active connection)
Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
21-09-2007 8:10 PM
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I know a lot of Dell machines are causing problems (due to the hidden partition I think) so I would be a little cautious.
Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
21-09-2007 8:14 PM
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Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
21-09-2007 9:10 PM
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Under Acronis the HD shows two partitions, one sub 60gig (partition C)and one of 100mb (partition D). the C drive is the system partition as one would expect and the D drive appears to be a Norton security partition.
Under Windows the C drive is the system and the D drive does not exist, but there is a T drive of one gigabyte. This leads me to believe that Acronis is telling the truth about the disc layout and that the 'T' drive is a false partition that resides on the C drive but is just reported as a drive by the Deep Freeze software.
Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
21-09-2007 9:17 PM
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I can't see it calling home as they have nixed net access, the only thing that I was concerned about was that they had somehow messed with the disc boot sector, but on the other hand they havn't bothered to lock the bios and stop the PC from booting from CD. I would have thought that would be done it was a total solution.
*edit* Actually it would have been a total-ish solution if they locked the bios.... Short of me removing the drive 🙂
Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
21-09-2007 11:06 PM
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http://www.faronics.com/html/library.asp
Is in fact a virtual pc when you boot into windows the o/s and everything you do is done inside a virtual pc which is discarded when you shut down. It depends which version they use standard or enterprise as the enterprise has a lot more options like unfreezing the pc at certain time for updates.
DF isnt active until you boot xp so if you boot from cd and copy the partition it wouldnt know. In DF you can unfreeze some part of the disk which may then show up as another drive.
If you did all that and screwed it up then you could be in trouble with Uni.
With DF anything you do while its booted is discarded when its shut down so you can install anything you want and it will be gone after shut down. So you could use it that way and install anything each time depending what it is you could scripts it or use thininstall which would work in seconds.
You could try unfreezing the pc with the default password may work see there web site docs for that.
If the pc is locked down you could look for accmaker.exe which would give you admin access so you could use the net.
DF is well worth looking at watch their demo on their site no mater what you do the pc re boot perfect if you are an IT dept or similar it reduces support calls to 0.
At home its bomb proof and will speed up your pc 50% think about it you dont need to run Av, Spyware or firewall so free up loads of resources. If you get a virus turn off the pc and its gone get a bot taking over your pc reboot its gone.
Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
21-09-2007 11:26 PM
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Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
21-09-2007 11:41 PM
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Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
21-09-2007 11:50 PM
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Quote from: Ianwild I'd personally ebay a replacement HDD, swap it, and drop the other one back in should anyone need my PC back. But then I'm a hardware guy...
I'd go this route, it seems to be the easiest course of action. And the fact that they won't notice (unless they have one of their tech guys hiding out in your wardrobe spying on whats running on the laptop...freaky!)
Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
22-09-2007 12:18 AM
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Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
22-09-2007 12:30 AM
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Defaut password doesnt work, but nice idea 😉
I suppose another option is to use Acronis to copy the disk, restore it teomprarily to another box just long enough to see if the configuration is similar, proving that Acronis doesnt kill it.
I mean, what is the point of a PC without net access or music? You need that to work
Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
22-09-2007 12:56 AM
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You could arrange for a dual-boot (Or a boot from CD) with the alternate OS on an external hard drive (USB for cheapness?).
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Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
22-09-2007 9:10 AM
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Re: Suspect question #2 –Deep Freeze
22-09-2007 9:39 AM
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Out of interest I will use Arconis to clone the disk to the new drive and then we will know if it was a problem in the first place
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