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pierre_pierre
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Re: Shutter's Linux

just playing around with my Asus Netbook Linux, theseare some screen shots of the other Program pages
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if something is not in synaptic, I can put in a request........ Haven`t got a clue what synaptic is,

Extracting the urine a bit there aren't you mate? You have on numerous occasions been told to look in the repo's using synaptic for a program.
pierre_pierre
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Re: Shutter's Linux

well I havnt a clue what you are talkng about
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I think i come under " Nerd "  Grin
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sorry shutter, i should remember i felt that way once.  pclinuxos uses a package manager called synaptic, not to be confused with the trackpad manager.  synaptic installs packages (.rpms from red hat package manager) that have been compiled by developers specialising in making sure that any libraries and other files need to run the application being packaged all run smoothly together.  once built, the package is tested by a group of volunteers using a variety of computers to test as many combinations of hardware as possible.  once they are satisfied that the package works as it should, it is then released to synaptic, from where it can be marked for installation.
when programmers write applications, they wrap them up as .tar.gz (tarball) packages, which contain all the source code and any notes.  these are uploaded to places like sourceforge.net where anyone can download and attempt to install.  because the programmer is unlikely to have included all the libraries necessary to run the program, these the user must locate and download for itself.  attempting to install from a tarball can lead to a phenomenon known as 'dependency hell', where every time the user tries to compile, an error occurs.
red hat got around this problem by coming up with a 'wrapper' the .rpm and others came up with an application to take care of the installation, making sure all dependencies are met, synaptic.
what is particularly appealing about pclinuxos, and, increasingly, other distributions, is that it is a 'meta-distribution' - install once, update many times.  synaptic makes this particularly straightforward, rarely requiring a reboot.
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Thanks for the wider explanation.!.... not sure if I completely understand it, but I get the general idea....  Wink
Until Linux systems (and software writers for windows  include a version for Linux ) become more "plug and play" or "user friendly". .... I suspect it will always be considered by new users to be a waste of time, and at best, 2nd rate compared to the ease of use of windows... (however flawed linux users may think it is..)  which is a shame really, as I am sure there are many in the "development world of linux" that work very hard at compiling etc., a pity that it is still too "geeky" for most people....  Undecided
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In many ways the synaptic package manager system of distribution and updates is easier and better than Windows, albeit it is slightly different.
In Windows, if you want to install a new program ( non-microsoft ) then you have to go to the suppliers website and download and install it. You have to take the suppliers word that its compatible with you version of windows and subsequent updates for the program are indpendent of any Windows updates, which will occasionally screw up your nice new program ( and vice versa ). Now the Linux ( well Ubuntu/Mint ) synaptic system is much simpler once you get the hang of it. If you want a new program you have a single source, the repositories, using synaptic you can search  by program type or name, you then select which you want and click install, simples!. Now the really clever bit, the repositories will only show tested versions of the programs compatible with your version of the OS. In addition ALL updates, OS and installed programs, are handled by a single update manager which checks the same repositories for any updates to your installed OS and programs. Again, these updates will always be presented as a consistent set so no ( well almost no! ) problems of updating one thing breaking another.
Hope that helps explain things further, shutter.

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again much easier on the Asus Linu netbook
screen shots below, typing this on Netbook
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Thanks again for the info.... I am learning HOW linux works,........ in the background, ...............which I have never had to with windows (nor need to)....  
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If you want a new program you have a single source, the repositories, using synaptic you can search  by program type or name, you then select which you want and click install, simples!.

so when I want " Fast Image Resizer".  (a windows based program.....) and it isn`t listed in the synaptic .... I can`t have it... ... BUT....
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shutter, i use pclinuxos and if what i want is not in synaptic, i can put in a request.  one of the devs will get around to packaging it

so where do I go from here?  

You see, you give me all this lovely background information, but only half of it is there...... a bit like getting a "Diversion , Road Closed " sign, and following the direction arrow, and then driving around for hours, looking for another direction sign....... until you give up, because someone forgot to complete the Diversion signing.....!  Undecided
The reason I want "fast image resizer" as a stand alone program, is because it is just that..... it sits on the desktop, as an icon, and when I want to resize one (or two ) pics to upload to flickr or send as email attachments. I just locate the pic, and drag it across to the icon, and in less time than it takes to tell you, it has done the job..... resized it, and renamed it and put it in a subfolder of the orignal folder... I don`t want to wait for Gimp, or other progs to open up and then have to set the size and the destination and then find the pic in that program, and then resize it, and then save it in another folder .....
so who do I send my request to, for them to make up a Linux version of Fast Image resizer, and how long will it take, for them to test it, and then upload it (?) to "the repositories", or wherever, so I can download it?

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again much easier on the Asus Linu netbook
screen shots below, typing this on Netbook

I have a Dell Inspiron 1545, Pierre.... and I can`t afford to change it for an Asus Roll_eyes
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so when I want " Fast Image Resizer".  (a windows based program.....) and it isn`t listed in the synaptic .... I can`t have it... ... BUT....

Well what you need to do is CONTACT the author of  Fast Image Resizer". and ask them to WRITE a Linux version. It may then be in the package list of synaptic, don't complain to us because you can't run foreign software on Linux. Try running something like Radio Tray Player on Windows it won't even load never mind run.
Going back to my analogy you are trying to put an Astra customisation on to a Focus it doesn't work because it wasn't designed for it, it was written to be a WINDOWS program not to run under Linux.
What is so great about this s/w that you cant do the same using one of the MANY programs available in Linux? Or is it purely the comfort factor again? "It's aye been" is a common saying in these parts. meaning why should I change?
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which I have never had to with windows (nor need to).... 

So you were born with the innate ability to use windows, you needed no help when you FIRST used it? I have never hears of Windows being so easy to use that one can just use it without having to use any tutorials.
Maybe Linux isn't ready for you - or you aren't ready for Linux, you don't want to change the way you do things - so I would suggest you BUY a copy of W7 and be very happy together. IF your laptop will handle it without more memory etc. Others have had better experiences, it depends on what you want to do, and how flexible you are about going about it.
Personally I find that having my applications upgraded as required BY MY OS, is much easier than having to BUY upgrades or hunt the web for them, same with installing s/w I just open the package manager (synaptic) and type in keywords of what I am looking for, there is usually something among the 30,000 apps on offer. Or I look for a PPA (a personal repo provided by the authors) to add to synaptic and then it is treated just like the rest.
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I have contacted the writer of Fast Image Resizer, and his reply was that he MAY do a version for Linux, but it would be some time in the future.....
as mentioned in my previous.... it is a "one off job" piece of software,,, it only resizes (and renames) picture files..... it doesn`t need to "wind itself up, to get started, and it is sSO QUICK you think you may have missed it.... I am surprised that there is not a prog in Linux to do exactly what it says on the tin, and no more.... all the apps/software I have found are capable of (almos) full image editing, which I already have in  Irfanview  (remember that one ! ! ! )..  Yes, you can also re-size in Irfanview, but it takes about 10 times as long as Fast Image Resizer...
I understand your analogy between the two different cars.... and apart from an initial 10 minutes instruction from the guy I bought my first IBM clone tower computer, i.e. how to switch it on and off, how to use a mouse and double click, etc.... I did find it very easy to "learn" how to do things on Windows, without tutorials .... that is what the "Installshield" and "wizards" are for.... idiots like me,... !
Yes, I would like my applications to  be upgraded in the same way as you do.... but I need the applications/software, in the first place ! ! ...
Buying Windows 7 or any other windows in the future is not a financial option.... I will keep using vista until it breaks, or the laptop does, and when I buy another then it will have windows on it, unless I get Linux sorted out first.......
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Well the quick and simple way to resize or change format etc, us to use the imagemagick suite of commands.
Something like

#!/bin/bash
convert $1 -size 640x480 image.png

in a shell script would resize the input file to 640x480 calling it image.png, change the size to what ever you want, add it to the nautilus scripts then you can select the file and right click and resize inside the file manager  Cool
You could even have several with different resolutions, if you want to use the same filename change the image.png to $1
Maybe that is why there is no program like what you are looking for no-one feels the need to write one when a simple command will do it?
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Obviously that's the best solution - but -
If Shutter had put the keywords into Google -
Fast Image Resize linux
He would have seen
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Shrink O'Matic is a great AIR app for quickly resizing any image...

Downside is that it requires Adobe's AIR bug-ware.

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