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shutter
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Next Generation Linux ?

Note..... This is not a Duplicate thread.... this is about the technical discussion of the system(s)

 

Microsoft have announced a NEW windows...... Windows 11.....

 

However, it looks like millions of PC users could miss out on the upgrade - due to the high minimum specs.

Windows 11 will require eighth generation Intel chips or AMD Ryzen 2000 processors at the very least.

Machines will also need to support Secure Boot and TPM 2.0.

The long and short of it is if your PC shipped before 2017 it's unlikely you'll be able to install Windows 11.

 

as mentioned in this article.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/1457224/Windows-10-fans-angry-and-confused-a...

 

So... assuming that you are a Linux or MAC user... and sometime after Windows 11 hits the street, in Curry`s/PCWorld shops... you decide you need a better PC.... tower..... desktop.... or laptop.... as the old one you are using now, is getting a bit slow..... off you go to Currys/PCWorld... and buy a new machine.... You may be lucky and find one with no O.S... go home and then try to run Linux or MAC o.s. on it....

 

WILL IT WORK  ? ? ?   ( windows 10 certainly won`t... )   Is the Linux / MAC O.S writing team going to be able to re-write their particular version(s), so it WILL run on these new machines ?   Or ....  Will there have to be dedicated Linux Machines and MAC Machnines ? ? 

 

 

 

 

 

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Another question might be software, if it currently runs on 10 will it run on 11?

No doubt windows 11 is well advanced for it’s time but so was Concord.

Sales of new machines may well decide the fate of Windows 11 unless Microsoft can reach some compromise.

Most customers will ask do I need to upgrade ……

Perhaps we will see paid versions of Linux becoming more popular along with Android.

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@shutter 

I'm having a bit of a problem with your logic. You seem to be suggesting that as soon as Win 11 becomes available any new computer that meets these requirements will no longer run Linux, Win 10 or IOS. Why would these extra motherboard feature lock out alternative operating systems?

If we take your 2017 date and compare it with the end date for Win 10 support, this gives computer motheboards a life of 8 years. I agree that any-one buying a new Windows PC today shoud be made very aware that if the computer model has been around for many years without an upgrade to newer hardware components that it will only have a secure Windows life of 4 years.

I can see a market for motherboard upgrades and a greater take up of Linux but I do think that this is no different to how other operating systems upgrade philosophies have developed and the implications are being talked up by the technical press.

I have a back up laptop that will no longer be supported by Microsoft after October 2025. That is annoying but by then it will be at least 15 years old. It's no different to not being able to update a 15 year old laptop that very happily ran say Vista to Win 10. I've tried it and as a result it now runs very happily on Linux Mint!

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@Baldrick1   Yes, that is "kinda" what I was thinking...

Currently. Linux MInt upgrades in  "point" numbers.... i.e. Mint 20    upgrade  is Mint 20.1   et al... but the next MInt version will be Mint 21, and this will not be a straight forward easy upgrade.. ( as was between 19 & 20..where you had to install the new version Mint 20 I think) . ( could be wrong here, as I just did a "new install" on a new HDD, rather than go through a lot of upgrade using the terminal )

So...my thinking is maybe flawed... but Windows 10 being "old" stuff... won`t run on NEW windows machines that hit the shops after NEW WIndows is released to the world, My thinking is... that will the current ( then ) say MINT 23 ( or whatever is the current latest version)  run on the NEW windows machines.....as it does at the present time ?  or... will Linux have to rewrite the whole setup of MINT ( and other distros`s ) making current machines that do run Linux, obsolete in one move, the same as  the NEW windows is doing to us now  ?

 

E.g.    there are still a whole load of people... ( and small businesses, I suspect ) still running WIndows 7 because they like it, and because they did not like the "upgrade" to 8 and 8.1 and then 10 .... and cannot see any need to upgrade the O.s. but may have to, if they need to buy a new machine, after NEW windows is released. ( add into that... a lot of people like current linux versions for the same reasons) ..

 

 

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@shutter 

Let me put it this way, the computer that I am using now is about 6 months old. It runs Windows 10. All that I needed to do to get it compatible with Windows 11 was to make a change in the UEFI BIOS to switch on TPM 2.0. I have left it in this mode. This has not prevented Win 10 from working.

So current generation PCs will happily run both. I think that modern PCs have no problems running earlier versions of operating systems. The problems come when you try to do it the other way around, that is, when you try to put newer operating systems on to older hardware. Consequently I can't see how this will be a problem in the future.

When I was working it was very rare for the IT department to update operating systems or applications. I believe that this was because there were concerns that this would screw up integration with the Business Sysem and other specialist software that was running on the network. To protect this from nasties getting in from the outside world there were very strict limitations on what peripherals could be connected. This was controlled by the IT department. There were also serious Enterprise grade firewalls and other undisclosed facilities between the company network and any processes connected to the outside world.

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macOS only runs on Apple branded hardware.
You can’t just get an off the shelf machine abs stick macOS on it.
There’s a hobbyist routes called hackintosh but it’s becoming more and more difficult to get working (and breaks the license agreement)
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@Baldrick1 wrote:

 

So current generation PCs will happily run both. I think that modern PCs have no problems running earlier versions of operating systems.

 

 

But not all .... as indicated on the Microsoft App... 

 

You knew how to do the "switch on" of TPM2.0  or whatever.... but how many other users know, where to find the switch? how to make the change. or even if their machine has it...  ... not as simple as you make it appear in your posting. .. ( i.e. flick a switch, and all is hunky dory ! ! )  Smiley

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According to www.windowlatest.com it is possible to bypass the need for a TPM chip but you will still need a fairly up to date chip.

The TPM chip seems to be more about adding additional security to your system.

All this is irrelevant for me as it’s a path I will not be going down

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@shutter wrote:

@Baldrick1 

You knew how to do the "switch on" of TPM2.0  or whatever.... but how many other users know, where to find the switch? how to make the change. or even if their machine has it...  ... not as simple as you make it appear in your posting. .. ( i.e. flick a switch, and all is hunky dory ! ! )  Smiley


I didn’t know how to do it but a quick Google search gave me the information that I needed. I’m guessing that more info on this is why the upgrade app has been pulled. This currently gives a terse ‘computer says no’ message when it may well only need a plug in TPM module costing less than £15 or, as was the case with my motherboard, a simple firmware tweek to solve the problem.

How difficult was it? Well it was in fact no more than flipping a switch, be it a software not hardware, switch. See https://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/A-New-Version-Of-Windows/m-p/1815641#M290004

@gleneagles 

 I assume that this is the workaround to which you refer. I have no TPM module, however this allegedly gives sufficient functionality for Win 11.

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@gleneagles wrote:

According to www.windowlatest.com it is possible to bypass the need for a TPM chip but you will still need a fairly up to date chip.


Having done a bit more research it's not a case of bypassing the TPM module as much as both AMD and Intel have been including the same functionality in their processors for several years, be it called different things, see https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-11-No-Trusted-Platform-Module-Many-AMD-and-Intel-processors-ca...

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@Baldrick1  As you said.... google is your friend. ! ... "Does my laptop have TPM2.0"  result is

https://bgr.com/tech/how-to-check-windows-11-tpm-2-0-compatibility-on-your-pc-5935509/

scroll down the page for instructions on where to look , and what to do .

 

How to enable TPM 2.0 on Windows 11

That’s a trick question right there. You have to enable TPM 2.0 on your current Windows 10 installation before ever getting to trying the Windows 11 beta release

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At the moment I'm trying to run Unity under Linux Debian, and annoyingly the tutorials on Unity.com frequently crash back to the Desktop on my Linux powered Chromebox! 😠

Apparently the version of Linux my Chrome OS PC runs isn't officially supported.

 

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Just run a proper Linux distro.

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Let's just say for arguements sake, if you install mint in the evening. Would that make it an after eight mint? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@Shep41 Don't give up the day job lad, as a comedian you'd never make it! Tongue 

 

 

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