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Internet Radio

Have been looking at internet radios. I Know you can listen to radio via your pc but does anyone have an internet radio ?
I am particularly interested in how much of your broadband allowance they would use up, can anyone give me an approximate figure if left on for a 24 hour period ?
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I have had an Orange Liveradio for a couple of years, its on most of the time when I am not at the pc.
As to bandwidth depends on what you listen to  Shocked
Talk shows are low bandwidth, but music can be up to 256K/sec.
I think I worked it out at about 10Gb over a month 24/7 for a 128K stream. (ignoring any free allowance)
So not for those on <20Gb allowances.
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Thanks for that, just the info I was looking for !
As I am on a fixed package of 10GB it's a non starter.
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I also looked into Internet Radio, the killer was the usage.

Unless you listen or record (if you can) overnight ! Midnight to 8am ...
Or download podcasts ( inc music) overnight on your PC, and listen to them on a player daytime ?
I'm sure they stream faster than real time, so you may get a few hours worth between say 6am and 8am.

Or, listen or record radio / music videos off SKY ?
Where I live in the country, there is patchy radio reception, so assuming I have power, I tend to listen to Radio on SKY.
And of course there is Freeview Radio too.
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But would you have it on 24/7 365?
With mine I can listen to stuff of a usb drive of from a local streaming media server as well as the live stuff.
Rechecking my sums
128K/s stream = 256K/s (stereo)
so 256/8*60*7*4/1000=1.3Gb ((/8 bytes *minutes * days * weeks /1000 for Gb)
So not as bad as I first thought.
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Not sure why you believe 128kbps equate to 256kbps for stereo?
Also your equation left out seconds and hours, it should be  256/8 * 60 *60 *24 *7 *4 /1000000 = 77.41Gb (/bytes *seconds *minutes *hours *days *weeks) and as a G = 1000000000 and the answer is in K you have to divide by 1000000 for the answer to be expressed in Gb
[quote=http://www.which.co.uk/technology/computing/guides/online-radio/how-to-listen-online/]BBC Radio 1 and 2 are streamed at a bitrate of up to 128kbps (kilobits per second). Based on this, one hour of listening will use approximately 56MB (megabits) of your data allowance.
So using the above for 24/7 for a month
56*24*7*4= 37632Mb = 37.632Gb
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[quote=http://www.which.co.uk/technology/computing/guides/online-radio/how-to-listen-online/]BBC Radio 1 and 2 are streamed at a bitrate of up to 128kbps (kilobits per second). Based on this, one hour of listening will use approximately 56MB (megabits) of your data allowance.


megabits is wrong, it probably should say mebibytes, and I make it closer to 55MiB per hour anyway. Or 57.6MB/hour.
(128*1000*60*60)/(8*1024*1024) = 54.93
Or about 1MB per minute, if you allow for some overheads and round it up a little.
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Recommend you do a search for the clarus magicbox internet radio. Dab, FM, internet radio with podcasts and listen again also support realplayer. It can also stream from your PC network. They did cost about 40 quid. Great sound. We now have two after loving the first one so much.

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=181026269330&index=1&nav=SEARCH&nid=68336348479
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I use radio downloader from http://www.nerdoftheherd.com/tools/radiodld/.
Set up the programs to download and schedule for the 24:00 - 08:00 slot.
Then play back as required.
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megabits is wrong, it probably should say mebibytes,

We are using the Plusnet defined Mb/Gb term metric units. I would normally use 2^10 (1024)
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Key:
    1000KB = 1MB
    1000MB = 1GB

From VMBU page.
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I was just pointing out that the word in brackets, and the value from the Which article, were wrong. It should be 57.6 MB per hour (57,600,000 bytes per hour).
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Not sure why you believe 128kbps equate to 256kbps for stereo?
Also your equation left out seconds and hours, it should be  256/8 * 60 *60 *24 *7 *4 /1000000 = 77.41Gb (/bytes *seconds *minutes *hours *days *weeks) and as a G = 1000000000 and the answer is in K you have to divide by 1000000 for the answer to be expressed in Gb

Ok just checked and my 128Kb stream is using 12KB/s.
My bad, I thought that is was 128K per channel not for both.
@ejs maybe you should send a correction to Which then?
I must admit this adulteration of Mb from 2^20 to 10^6 (which was first done by the hdd manuf. I believe, to make the disks look bigger) is annoying and in danger of becoming a digital standard (if it isn't already).
When I was taught digital electronics, the standards of the day were based on 2nth power, K=(2^10)1024 M=2^20 G=2^30, have they changed it the past 30 years?
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It's worth noting that:-
2^10 = 10^3 gives a 2.4% error,
2^20 = 10^6 gives a 4.8% error,
2^30 = 10^9 gives a 7.4% error
2^40 = 10^12 gives a 10% error
When the "Petabyte" disks come out, they will actually be only be 88% of a Petabyte. Grin

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I must admit this adulteration of Mb from 2^20 to 10^6 (which was first done by the hdd manuf. I believe, to make the disks look bigger) is annoying and in danger of becoming a digital standard (if it isn't already).
When I was taught digital electronics, the standards of the day were based on 2nth power, K=(2^10)1024 M=2^20 G=2^30, have they changed it the past 30 years?

So is a 1M ohm resistor 2^20 or 10^6?
I came from and electronic/computing background starting in the 70's and thinking back if you saw 1M ohm you took it to be 10^6 and if you saw 1MB you took it to be 2^20. It was only a couple of years ago that I found that in 1998 new units were introduced.

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Confusion in the meaning of megabyte was evident for many years. For instance, the 1.44 MB floppy disk's storage capacity was calculated using 1024000bytes per "MB" (i.e. 1.44×1024×1000), rather than 1.47 MB (1.47×1000×1000) or 1.40 MiB (1.40×1024×1024).
The mebi- prefix was defined by the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) in December 1998. Its use (and related units) is presently endorsed by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) and the International Committee for Weights and Measures (CIPM) in contexts where use of a binary prefix makes sense.
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Recommend you do a search for the clarus magicbox internet radio. Dab, FM, internet radio with podcasts and listen again also support realplayer. It can also stream from your PC network. They did cost about 40 quid. Great sound. We now have two after loving the first one so much.

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=181026269330&index=1&nav=SEARCH&nid=68336348479
Unfortunately this is being advertised at £60 (used) A Check on Amazon shows it's out of stock and they don't know when it will be back in stock, probably a discontinued model.
Feedback on all models seems varied with some people raving about them to others who have trouble with poor wi-fi connections or servers being overloaded.