This must be the record for incompetence!
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Re: This must be the record for incompetence!
16-01-2014 4:00 PM
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16-01-2014 4:05 PM
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Quote from: ariosto I asked for a MAC code to leave and I was put on hold to another department! After 10 minutes I hung up.
Did you actually successfully talk to someone in cancellations? If not, you haven't asked for your MAC yet...
Plusnet (in common with a lot of service providers) insist on talking to you when you cancel so they can dangle a suitable carrot in front of you to attempt to make you stay. Frankly, I'd rather they just offered the best price to all customers at all times but that's not how the industry has gone.
You are, however, allowed to write a letter but presumably they think that if you can be bothered to do that you must be serious.
Re: This must be the record for incompetence!
16-01-2014 4:23 PM
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16-01-2014 4:26 PM
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There was a thread here yesterday with a customer who clearly was not going to be tempted to stay yet PN refused point blank to issue a MAC if the process wasn't followed.
Re: This must be the record for incompetence!
16-01-2014 5:03 PM
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I'm told it will be sent to me by email!!!! - within 24 hours. I hope this is the truth but I will never trust PN again. Soon I will be leaving - and it can't be too soon.
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16-01-2014 5:11 PM
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16-01-2014 5:13 PM
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jelv (a.k.a Spoon Whittler) Why I have left Plusnet (warning: long post!) Broadband: Andrews & Arnold Home::1 (FTTC 80/20) Line rental: Pulse 8 Home Line Rental (£14.40/month) Mobile: iD mobile (£4/month) |
Re: This must be the record for incompetence!
16-01-2014 6:03 PM
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Rating scores for others are.
AOL 38%
BT 50%
EE 55%
P Net 73%
Post Office 60%
Sky 56%
Talk Talk 55%
Tesco 55%
Utility Warehouse 76%
Virgin non cable 63%
Zen 79%
These are last years figures and I'm sure there will be changes this year.
Hence unless Plus Net pulls their socks up they wont be a "Which" recommended supplier for 2014.
Re: This must be the record for incompetence!
17-01-2014 3:25 PM
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I note your comments about complying with PN T&Cs.
However, according to OFCOM when I queried it with them, an ISP MUST accept a MAC Request via ANY form of communication if that is a form of communication that they use to accept MACs!
In other words, if you initially gave them the MAC via a phone-call to Customer Services, then the ISP MUST accept that this is valid means to request MACs.
Having said that, I strongly suspect that most ISPs put some form of hurdle in your way!
Regards,
John
Re: This must be the record for incompetence!
17-01-2014 3:28 PM
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We have to offer two ways for customers to request a MAC - Phone and Letter.
Re: This must be the record for incompetence!
17-01-2014 4:36 PM
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I don't see how that indicates that OFCOM are contradicting themselves!!
As it states that this is the minimum requirement, it does NOT state that it is the only requirement.
Furthermore, as the example I gave, you DO accept Phone-calls, but you then try to make people jump through hurdles, which you do NOT on the receipt of the incoming MAC.
When I had my discussion why OFCOM, I consider that they were giving me advice on what they considered to be "Fair & Reasonable".
Obviously I suspect that we are going to have to "Agree-to-Disagree", so I will not continue this conversation - other that hope that PN takes note of my comments as they are being made "in-good-faith"!
Regards,
John
Re: This must be the record for incompetence!
17-01-2014 4:44 PM
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Sorry for any confusion. I was just trying to outline that our position is in line with Ofcom GC22 that states we must offer two routes to request a MAC.
It seemed that Ofcom were telling you tht we *had* to accept requests via a ticket, which isn't the case.
Re: This must be the record for incompetence!
17-01-2014 7:32 PM
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I'm afraid plus net have been an absolute pain as far as I'm concerned.
Re: This must be the record for incompetence!
18-01-2014 7:21 AM
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As previously advised, I wasn't intending to add anything further, however, I think it needs to be clear what OFCOM told me.
Certainly they did NOT quote the Rules/Regulations, in the same way that you are trying to, but they were simply saying that they expect ISPs to have a Fair & Reasonable approach & deal with MACs uniformly & consistently (whether that is the receipt of the MAC or the issue of a MAC).
Hence, if a MAC is accepted via a Ticket, a Phone call, an email, a Carrier Pigeon, Bush-Telegraph or whatever, then they expect (under a fair/reasonable & consistent approach) that a MAC would be issued via the similar method. They are not expecting the issue of a MAC to be anymore difficult/complicated than the receipt of a MAC.
Clearly they were NOT saying that an ISP had to accept MACs via any specific method (i.e. Ticket, Email, Bush-Telegraph, whatever), just that the ISP should be consistent & use the SAME methods for both in & out!
If PN think it is wrong to have a fair/reasonable & consistent approach (i.e. it is wrong to have the same arrangements for BOTH receipt & issue of MACs), then that is their decision - albeit a decision that I do NOT understand.
Have to be honest & say that I think it highly unlikely that OFCOM would consider taking PN to task over this, but that does not alter the advice that they gave me!
Regards,
John
Re: This must be the record for incompetence!
18-01-2014 12:24 PM
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However during the process of issuing a MAC to a customer it is good business practice to want to speak to the customer with the intention of discovering why they wish to leave and to see if there is anything they can do to put things right and persuade them to stay hence the telephone option.
I have, in my working life spoken to unhappy customers of the company I was employed at and sorted out our differences thereby retaining their business and improving our procedures.
To argue with someone who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead - Thomas Paine
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