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A voice in the wilderness?

thisoldman
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A voice in the wilderness?

Since the vast majority on plussers on 8mb dont get anywhere near  that speed i fail to see why plusnet are marketing a 20mb speed. If you live right opposite an exchange you will be very very lucky to get anywhere near 11mb.
But that is not my main argument. I have consistently argued that speed is largely irrelevant as the vast majority of d/l sites have their own d/l speeds and restrictions. Add to that plus nets traffic management throttling problems,
Even if plus net provide you with a 100mb d/l speed your  iplayer will still stammer at peak times and the majority of d/l sites will simply laugh at you.
I am of the opinion that what plus value customers want more than anything is an increase in the monthly usage allowance.
10gb or 300mb a day just gives you 3 video d/ls a few browsing  sitesand a few emails.and i small iplayer  playback
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Steve
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

I think value gives good value for money, If you want more GB without Traffic Shaping and with Full line speed at all times I suggest people start moving to Plusnet Pro, With 20gb and full line speed at all times. Wink
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thisoldman
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

steve txs for reply but.........20mb will only double what i said earlier and  full line speed will still relult in the vast majority of d/l sites. d/l videos at 92.kps. translated  that means it will take nearly 45 mins to d/l a 320mb video
Steve
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

Dont you mean that Upto 20mb d/l speeds would eat 10GB usage rather fast on the value product? People lucky enough to live IN their exchange generally get good down speeds.
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nadger
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

I think Value is excellent for the money - I'm fortunate enough to be on a Market 3 exchange so still paying £5.99/month.
We'd all love a higher monthly allowance but we do have the choice of moving to Extra with 60Gb allowance.
thisoldman
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

SCREAMS            no no no        ...........

in plain simple english i am saying that even if you get 1000million d/l spped its totally irrelevant as rapidshare etc etc etc all have their own restricted d/l speeds unless you buy a premium account.

to repeat:  if plus net gave you 100mb d/l  rapid will still d/l at any time of the day at 79kps and you will have aged by the time your video d/ls
nadger
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

My download speed is checked every hour as part of the Ofcom/Samknows trial.
Since switching to 21CN there have been less fluctuations in speed. When my upload speed is capped  these figures will be higher.
I'm 3km from exchange and a few hundred yards from cabinet.
Yesterday
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Date/Time                              Speed Mbps
2010-08-13 23:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 22:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 21:00:00 6.39
2010-08-13 20:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 19:00:00 6.47
2010-08-13 18:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 17:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 16:00:00 6.47
2010-08-13 15:00:00 6.19
2010-08-13 14:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 13:00:00 6.43
2010-08-13 12:00:00 6.47
2010-08-13 11:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 10:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 09:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 08:00:00 6.47
2010-08-13 07:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 06:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 05:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 04:00:00 6.47
2010-08-13 02:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 01:00:00 6.48
2010-08-13 00:00:00 6.48
magnetism2772
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

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I am of the opinion that what plus value customers want more than anything is an increase in the monthly usage allowance.
10gb or 300mb a day just gives you 3 video d/ls a few browsing  sitesand a few emails.and i small iplayer  playback

i will second that
a doubling of speed would only result in halving the time before a 10 GB limit  runs out
perhaps BT pay to have more guinea pigs trialing their 21st century network  (21cn)?
nadger
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

Quote from: giro
I will second that, a doubling of speed would only result in halving the time before a 10 GB limit  runs out
Not really logical  Undecided
You could quite easily blow a 10Gb limit on a 2Mb connection. Can't see me downloading much more and if I do I'll upgrade to Extra.
I've never seen the logic in expecting any supplier to lose money on a product.
magnetism2772
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

Not really logical
it is logical
mathematically:
speed = usage/ time
speed * 2 =  usage/time * 2 (or twice the usage during the same time or the same usage but for half the time
but companies are not wasting money when its you who are charged to go on any of their trial products
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

If the total usage per month doesn't change then increasing the speed wouldn't increase the cost over a month
If the browsing habits don't change all that would happen is that things would happen quicker and the connection would spend longer sitting idle
magnetism2772
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

with a constant usage at a doubling in speed
how can one have  the same constant browsing habits when their time active on the computer is halved ?
gswindale
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

If I increase (double) my speed, then I can download 1 film in half the time.  I then have to watch it.
I have only a finite amount of time available, so will likely be doing something else (sleeping maybe) whilst downloading.  I'm not going to all of a sudden think
"oh good my download speed has doubled I can watch twice as many films now"
I'm just going to re-prioritise so that I can do things in a much more efficient manner.
I personally never understand the fuss about usage allowances though - it only applies between 8am and midnight, so if you really want to download stuff, schedule it for the early hours of the morning when it will be faster due to less network congestion.
gswindale
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

Quote from: giro
with a constant usage at a doubling in speed

Ok, so it takes me .5 of a second for this page to load.
My speed doubles, it takes .25 of a second for this page to load.
I then spend 5 minutes reading through it.  Move on to my next page.
It's not really making much difference is it?
magnetism2772
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Re: A voice in the wilderness?

for a  change in velocity(speed) there is an equal change in (journey time spent at the car )  or mph
so people would need to use their computers less
or go over their limit