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2 months still no service

LinnPlusnet
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Re: 2 months still no service

Sorry to hear about the slow speeds! Sad
If you could follow the guide that jelv has pointed out and post your findings here that will be very helpful.
Also, the speeds you stated were they from a wireless connection or via an Ethernet connection?
abstruse21
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Re: 2 months still no service

Jelv & Linn.
To be honest it was better this morning. I know the first 72 hours can be a bit creaky and it can take up 10 days to stabilise. I probably gave it a bit of a heart attack anyway when I connected everything up and found around 10 gigs of total updates across my devices which all started downloading on boot up..
Obviously I shut all those down before a speed-test but I may have missed something. I will do a more careful test with most devices offline later today when I get back from the office but I wont fret just yet.
Everything I have is wireless by the way Linn.. one socket in the whole cottage nowhere near anywhere useful and i may well have to move the cable anyway as it passes into the house and right along the side of the fusebox and all the mains electricity cables running into and off around the house (I am pretty sure that wont be helpful!) (Still renovating the place don't you know!  ;D)
Adam got back to me first thing this morning as promised and has sorted the odds and sods out. As far as I am concerned I am happy with the resolution of the issues up til now, the speed issue is something i will monitor until Monday and if it persists I will follow it up with more detailed info - may redirect the cable leading to the master socket first! ::). I do not expect super fast speeds by any means. My exchange is listed as capable of up to 8 but our distance would cap us around 2 anyway. (1.9 was the  figure quoted by PN when we initially started the order as well).
It is a massive drop from my last property but I knew the lifestyle change would also affect these kind of services before I moved!
Thanks to you guys though. And Adam. It's made it easier being able to post here and get decent updates etc and the odd bit of sympathy  Grin
LinnPlusnet
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Re: 2 months still no service

That may very well be your explanation right there Smiley 10 GB of updates is a hefty amount so I'm not surprised your speeds may have slowed down a substantial amount!
It's also worth mentioning that if you're solely using a wireless connection then your speeds will more than likely be lower than the estimated speeds provided during sign up. The estimated speeds are based on your line length from your property to the telephone pole, to the cabinet, and then to the exchange. You'll find that the speeds will be faster if you connect your device via an Ethernet cable.
If you're not able to move the socket then I'd suggest maybe buying some home plugs so that you can connect your computer/laptop via Ethernet somewhere else in the property that may be more suitable Smiley
I'm glad to hear that you've now spoken to Adam and that you were able to reach a resolution.
Hopefully we'll get to speak to you on the Forums some more in the future. Let's hope that it's not due to any issues next time Wink
abstruse21
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Re: 2 months still no service

Thanks Linn. Yeah I am aware all of these things will have a negative effect! lol
As I renovate the place I will almost certainly install cabling around the property to used wired as much as possible. I think I have about 480 metres of cat5e in the barn anyway and a dell hub or two kicking about.
Obviously that wont happen overnight (though the update downloads will! Set everything to happen when I sleep!)
Going to need to fiddle with a few settings or ports to give my xbox an easier time though!
Well we should probably let this thread drop to the bottom of the pile now! If I have a tech problem later It can be dealt with separately.
Enjoy your day and thanks again.
jelv
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Re: 2 months still no service

You might consider these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-PA211KIT-200Mbps-Powerline-Ethernet/dp/B004INVKP4 (for £14.98 with free delivery) you'd get optimum speeds.
jelv (a.k.a Spoon Whittler)
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abstruse21
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Re: 2 months still no service

Thanks Jelv. Had considered them but at this point in the renovation of my house I am still at 1 plug socket per room (none in some!)..
I will be fitting more and swapping them out for doubles etc as I go room to room renovating. At that point the plug extensions may just be an easier solution for any rooms that do not need re-plastering (fully renovated rooms will be fitted with conduit, faceplates and cables under the new wall surface).
Like I said. Speeds are still sluggish but seem to be improving. There is no point really pestering Plusnet about it at this minute as I need to sort the problems out in the house first that may be causing much of the problem.
The weekend will be a good time to do that and then I will test just the one computer connected by cable to the router and shut wireless off so nothing else interferes. If it hasn't improved Ill then get all the info they need together and post it. I may in fact wait a little longer just to make sure the lines stable and everything is updated and running at its best.
I have a usable service at this point which was what I wanted. The speed and other minor bits can be dealt with as I get around to checking everything.
Thanks again guys
jelv
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Re: 2 months still no service

I'm using two of those in 4 gang extensions (and one of those is a surge protector), the third which connects to the router is the only one in a wall socket. One of them is on a different ring main. You are not supposed to be able to do any of that but it's absolutely fine for me.
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abstruse21
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Re: 2 months still no service

After looking again Jelv I have decided to get one of those anyway. I know they can be pretty effective and I am going to run one to my main pc. If it works substantially better I will probably hook one up to the xbox too  Roll_eyes
LinnPlusnet
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Re: 2 months still no service

Good luck with all the renovating abstruse21!
Glad the service is at least there now Smiley
abstruse21
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Re: 2 months still no service

OK.
Jelv I believe this is the info you were referring to:
DSL Connection
Link Information
Uptime: 6 days, 4:38:32
DSL Type: ITU-T G.992.1
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 288 / 576
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [MB/GB]: 506.70 / 14.05
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12.1 / 15.1
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 31.5 / 63.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 16.0 / 18.1
System Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / ----
Chipset Vendor ID (Local/Remote): BDCM / TSTC
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / -
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / -
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / -
Loss of Link (Remote): -
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 23 / -
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 0
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 173 / 25
HEC Errors (Up/Down): - / 11

A lot of Firewall ICMP Check Failures in event logging
Clearly that's showing my line bandwidth as far lower than promised and far lower than my neighbour's had prior to the work being carried out on my connection. (Theirs has since dropped to the same speed as mine and they are getting intermittent dropouts of BB adsl signal on their line)
BT Wholesale Broadband Performance Test
Broadband Speed Test Results

Download Speed (Mbps): 0.39
Upload Speed (Mbps): 0.08
Ping Latency (ms): 116.63
Further diagnostics run several times. Always the same result:
The Performance Tester is currently unable to run a speed test for your broadband connection. Please try again shortly, however if this problem persists, raise the issue with your service provider.
Ok I was told when I signed up i would get 1.9/2 on my line (market 1 exchange rated at 8+ but fair distance) My neighbour's get between 2 & 2.5... one of them is the semi-detached next door..
Phone exchange:
CHRISTCHURCH
Estimated line speed:
1.0Mb (Download speed could vary depending on line conditions. Estimates are the maximum speeds that your phone line can support. These speeds are dependent on the package you choose.) -
***Checked on 2014-01-27 20:34:15 (NOTE: this is the evening and time I placed the original order and was told I would receive 1.9! - I assume this was the check they carried out when I asked about this.. in which case if the sales guy saw this but told me 1.9.. there will be hell to pay. He has already been spoken to about lying to me about the provision of my order which resulted in Plusnet having to listen to the recording of the conversation and refund my connection fees as they agreed I had been misled by the guy in sales.. If I was lied to twice I am going to be fuming.. In fact I am going to pull out the recording of that conversation tonight - yes I have a copy, and re-listen to it fully)*** (Of course I could be getting angry over something that might not even be the problem at this point .. speed related frustrations ;))
Current line speed:
21 Mb
Please note current line speed... No way that can be right..
Jelv, I have installed one pair of the plug TP-Link ethernet adapters and shut off the wireless. Speeds are exactly the same. Wireless signal was at full bars anyway although I see the sense in using wired, it seems when speeds are this slow its going to be just as slow either way.
Still have engaged tone on phone instead of dialling tone by the way. Linn I will reply to that on the ticket but there is nothing in that list you provided that I haven't tried or checked previously with no improvement at all.  You may as well look at the other info in this post though while I get around to answering the ticket.

HPsauce
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Re: 2 months still no service

Your statistics show a line length approaching 3 miles - is that plausible? (line lengths are often 50% more than a street route to the exchange)
Given that speeds up to 2mbps "may" be possible.
BUT what is currently killing you is the SNRM of 18. The phone problems may be related to or causing that.
That "should" change to a lower figure if your line is stable, with a corresponding speed increase.
My line is shorter and runs at 3dB, but yours is unlikely to get that low though 6 or 9dB would be typical.
Monitor the stats and see how they change over the next few days.
Edit: Speeds of 288/576 suggest a fixed speed product not ADSL2+ - I suggest you ask PN to check how your line is configured.....  Shocked
abstruse21
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Re: 2 months still no service

Thanks HP the high SN / dB figures did ring alarm bells immediately  as they did seem unusually high..
Line length is unfortunately realistic.. farmland...
Quote from: HPsauce
Speeds of 288/576 suggest a fixed speed product not ADSL2+ - I suggest you ask PN to check how your line is configured.....  Shocked

Thanks for pointing out the info about the 288/576 speeds, wasn't aware of that.
I have been monitoring this since Thursday of last week. I only delayed posting until now as the line had only been up a couple of days at most at that time and was purely using wireless to connect devices. Now that has changed I figure it was time to post. These results are pretty standard over the last 5 or so days.
HPsauce
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Re: 2 months still no service

Maybe a member of PN staff will pick this up but I also just realised it's set to G.992.1 which is ADSL1.
That, in itself, may not be a huge problem as ADSL1 goes up to 8mbps and your line will probably not carry any of the higher ADSL2+ frequencies, but just another factor to be checked out.
The 288/576 line speed needs checking ASAP though  Crazy - raise a ticket if no-one picks up on it!
abstruse21
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Re: 2 months still no service

I've got a couple of tickets open atm.. er 4? Cant open more without closing them lol.. I have asked Adam CSC team manager to have another look at this thread to pick up any issues I have just posted about as hes watching something else for me anyway unrelated to the tech issues (2 of my tickets were opened by him). And I have a phone fault support ticket open which Linn has already started and I only replied to a short time ago. hmm, I will have to check the other ticket.. billing or related to the install problems or something.
HPsauce
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Re: 2 months still no service

Best to try to fix 1 fault at a time or it gets very tricky.  Cool
However if your line length is realistic then 2mbps, or just below, would be a sensible expectation once everything is eventually fixed.  Wink