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Unlimited Broadband - The myth becomes reality

Unlimited Broadband - The myth becomes reality

Unlimited Broadband - The myth becomes reality

Plusnet Unlimited Broadband If we said your broadband was unlimited and meant it, what would you say? If you've been a Plusnet customer for a while now, then there's a good chance that you'll be familiar with our thoughts on 'unlimited broadband' and our opinion of 'unlimited' with hidden fair usage policies.  We're still very passionate about this and we're of the firm opinion that customers should be told exactly what product they're buying and what they're going to get for their money. Because we have explained before that a service provider has to have a sustainable product and because we've gone into some considerable detail about the commercial realities of the ISP industry, some of you are going to be a bit surprised that we've just launched an unlimited broadband product. Yes, you read that right. Plusnet Unlimited Broadband.  Yes, really! Before you start thinking we've lost the plot let's take a look at where we were a couple of years ago and where we are now. The market and the economics have changed significantly since our last residential product revision, and we believe that now, at long last, we can deliver a truly unlimited product.  We know that a lot of new and existing customers are looking for broadband with no caps or 'fair usage limits'.  In an extremely competitive and maturing market (a 'switchers' market the marketing people call it), we've been able to design an unlimited broadband product that is sustainable and at a realistic price for the cost-conscious. And you know that we're open and more transparent than most companies.  So when we put 'unlimited' in a table of competitor products you know that we mean it. How do we intend doing that? Smart traffic management is how. Most ISPs tend to shy away from the subject of traffic management. Not so Plusnet. We've explained how we use traffic management to identify and prioritise traffic on our network. We've done this for several years now, and through intelligent product design we've always used our traffic management platform to ensure that the experience our customers get is as good as it can be. This involves prioritising time-sensitive activities like VoIP and gaming traffic, whilst ensuring that bandwidth-hungry protocols like Peer to Peer are not allowed to harm the performance of the network. With our expertise in the area, we know that we can continue to deliver to our customers the quality experience they expect from us. The unlimited product will be managed accordingly to ensure that time-sensitive applications like web-browsing, streaming and VoIP continue to run at an optimum level alongside the more bandwidth- intensive activities like Peer to Peer and binary newsgroup downloads. How it works

Plusnet Unlimited expected maximum downstream speeds

  2am to 12pm 12pm to 2pm 2pm to 4pm 4pm to 6pm 6pm to 8pm 8pm to 10pm 10pm to 11pm 11pm to 12am 12am to 2am
Peer-to-Peer Line speed 512Kbps 256Kbps 164Kbps 128Kbps 128Kbps 256Kbps 512Kbps Line speed
Binary USENET Line speed 512Kbps 256Kbps 164Kbps 128Kbps 128Kbps 256Kbps 512Kbps Line speed
External FTP Line speed 512Kbps 256Kbps 256Kbps 256Kbps 164Kbps 256Kbps 512Kbps Line speed
VPN 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps
Download sites Line speed 1Mbps 1Mbps 512Kbps 256Kbps 256Kbps 256Kbps 512Kbps Line speed
Download servers Line speed 2Mbps 2Mbps 1Mbps 756Kbps 512Kbps 756Kbps 1Mbps Line speed
Gaming* 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps 2Mbps
* Most games need low latency which is why we prioritise gaming traffic. If a game needs more than 2Mb of bandwith, we can address these games on an individual basis, so performance should not be affected.

Of course, not everyone needs or wants to pay for unlimited usage.  That's why we're also launching Plusnet Value and Plusnet Pro.  Value is cheaper than the other two accounts and offers 10GB per month - that's plenty for many people. Pro gives you 15GB of line-speed usage at all times. Average usage When designing products we calculate a usage allowance, which is arrived at by deducting the supply costs, tax, support costs, systems costs (mail, billing etc) and profit (we are a business after all!) from the product price. We also base this allowance on the usage habits of customers, some will use it a lot and some won't. All of this data is factored in and the products we are launching today are the result of all of that analysis.  With defined usage products, it's very straightforward to forecast usage trends, and whilst it's not always the case, they're fairly easy to predict alongside costing. With an unlimited product we have to make a judgement as to the amount of bandwidth that customers will use, and the effect that this has on the performance of the network. Bearing this in mind, it's important to get our forecasts right as this directly affects the amount of capacity we need to add to the network. Having the right forecasting and capacity planning means we can be sure that we are offering a service that you'll want to use and recommend to your friends and family. Geographical Pricing Some broadband providers offer prices dependent on where you live. So far this has tended to be those with an LLU presence in the busier telephone exchanges (Sky, O2, Orange, Tiscali and TalkTalk have done this for some time). For providers who use the BT Wholesale network to supply broadband (like ourselves), the pricing has largely been the same regardless of where you live. The telecommunications regulator Ofcom has recently announced the removal of certain regulatory obligations that applied to the broadband market. This deregulation means that we benefit from reduced supply costs in these areas (also known as 'Market 3' exchanges - see below) and allows us to compete more actively with LLU providers like the ones mentioned above. It also means that our customers get to benefit from lower baseline pricing.   Market Pricing Under Ofcom regulations introduced in May 2008, telephone exchanges are graded in one of four categories.

  • Market 1 - BT Wholesale are the only broadband provider
  • Market 2 - Broadband is available from 2 or 3 providers (including BT)
  • Market 3 - Broadband is available from 4 or more providers (including BT)
  • Hull Area - Exchanges that are served exclusively by Kingston Communications

If an exchange is scheduled to offer broadband from 4 or more providers in the future then it'll be Market 2 if it serves less than 10,000 lines and Market 3 if it serves more than 10,000. Not everyone will be able to benefit from these price cuts (take a look on the Ofcom map). However, we're confident that we'll be able to offer our customers the best value broadband in their area.   21CN Much has been said about the next generation of BT Wholesale products and BT's new 21CN network. If you've not heard anything about this (where have you been?), then you can bring yourself up to speed by reading the blog posts here and here. These products will allow us to offer ADSL2+ to our customers. The nationwide rollout is currently ongoing, and we've been running a trial for customers in the areas that have already been upgraded. You may wonder how this helps us to provide an unlimited product, given that faster speeds mean customers can download more, right? The main advantage for us here is that the price per Mbps of data is lower on 21CN, meaning you get a heck of a lot more bandwidth for your money. This on top of other savings lets us offer more bandwidth at lower prices than we've been able to in the past. We're very excited about our new broadband products and what they mean for our customers and for Plusnet. If you'd like to discuss our new products with us, then please head over to our forums where you'll find our customer community and Plusnet staff, who'll be only too happy to welcome you and answer your questions. More information about the design and expected speeds of our Value, Unlimited and Pro products can be found here. see also: Residential Broadband Products FAQ Plusnet Unlimited FAQ

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Kevin7
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I think OFCOM have got it wrong and PN have done the best with the available options. In Market 1 areas, subscribers will be drawn to ISPs that use the same price for all users (Market 3 effectively subsidising Market 1 & 2) In Market 3 area, subscribers will be drawn to ISPs like PN who charge based on the market The first option is not sustainable as there will end up being just Market 1 subscribers. IMO PN have taken the only practical route when it comes to pricing. However, when it comes to "Traffic Management" - I'd love full speed for everything 24X7 but at the moment that is not commercially viable. But is the Unlimited Traffic Management really any worse than we have now on the old BB products? In my opinion, not really - The important things are still prioritised and have full bandwidth, VPN, Web Browsing, Streaming, but unlike my existing product, there is no usage cap. I still need to read the fine print but I’m pretty sure I’ll be switching (Especially as I’m Market 3). I'd be interested to learn what constitutes streaming though - I assume this includes the Web version of BBC iPlayer, but not the iPlayer application which I guess is P2P. Also iTunes movies can be watched as they are downloading - does this count as downloading or streaming?
leahk
Grafter
OK, I read though the FAQs and still have some questions. Q1. I'm currently on BB Premier Option 1 - I've been comparing the traffic management with the unlimited product. VPN is not listed as one of the types subject to traffic management for BB Premier Option 1 - Is that correct? "FAQ 13. Does Plusnet Unlimited come with domain hosting? No, hosting isn't included. If you need to host a domain you might want to take a look at Just The Name. If you're already a customer with hosted domains and move to Plusnet Unlimited you won't lose these." Q2. Does the statement "you won't lose these" mean "you won't lose the domains" or does it mean "You will continue to host my domains"? Q3. I currently have "Max Premium". Is this affected if I switch to Unlimited? Thanks
Reddog
Grafter
I like the Plusnet packages to be honest, why? cause i'm 85% online gamer 25% downloader/streamer. Unlimited is wat it is, no Gb limit per month. I wouldn't care if they stopped all p2p and downloads to 0 (peak), although Plusnet will not admit this, they seem to be a Great ISP for gamers, its all about the latency baby Smiley Great job PN keep them highways clear at peak times so i can enjoy a 20ms ingame....
ozzie1968
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is it avllable to the whole country yet Huh
Len2
Dabbler
Well, currently I use BBYW option 2 and I've never exceeded the 15Gb limit - in fact I've only come close to it on one or two occasions - so providing plusnet is still standing by the speed caps previously published for that product "unlimited" offers no noticable benefits for the extra cost after the first quarter. "Pro" would be nominally faster but I suspect mostly my downloads are throttled elsewhere on the net. I assume there is no pro-unlimited to prevent the mass file-sharers from hogging the lines but that's not my thing anyway. So there seems to be no particular reason for me to change. Given the much hyped openness I assume that plusnet will come clean if the throttling on BBMW changes? It would be irritating if we were just quietly put onto the unlimited throttling matrix without being told since it is for the most part more restrictive. Also, how long to plusnet expect to maintain BBMW before transitioning us to a new package?
Ally1
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I've just signed up today and I am seriously considering cancelling the account. I am a big usenet and p2p user and download at all times of the day! My kids all use the net for streaming tv and this throttling is not sufficiently advertised with the 'unlimited' £15.99/18.99 option. I read the views of people who have been using plusnet for years and they loved it.... only in the last year or 2 have the comments become more and more negative. I think I may have to cancel... also 18 months is a bit too long for an initial contract! Is this fair use cr@p going to be looked at before you drive current and prospective customers away?
chickendippers1
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I don't consider myself a heavy user, I've certainly never gone near my 30GB limit so when I do fancy downloading the occasional demo I would like to receive my full line speed, especially as I don't tax it most of the time. To then only receive 256Kbps is really starting to take the piss. I'm also disappointed at the introduction of such long contracts. Did you not like receiving praise for offering a no-minimum-term service? A definite step backwards in my opinion. For me it certainly makes more sense to stay on BBYW3 for the time being...and O2 are looking increasingly attractive.
Steve10
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Advertising this as unlimited is underhanded and dishonest.
LiamM
Grafter
Perhaps this is why O2 are now cleaning up where Plusnet were? http://broadband.o2.co.uk/home/awards.jsp
Stuart_Gillilan
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Just moved to idnet - £4.50 more per month than the plusnet unlimited package - 30Gb un-throttled. Fantastic! http://www.speedtest.net/result/445459272.png
Andy_Tate
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If PlusNet were sure that the new packages were better for us users (rather than better for them) then they would CONTINUE to offer the previous BBYW packages along side them. They can't expect us to believe they removed them for the benefit of us customers. Also I guess I can no longer move up and down the BBYW packages from 1 2 3 and back again each month as in the past. In fact just went to my control panel and can only change to one of the new ones it seems. Still happy at present with BBYW opt 2 but would now no longer recommend PlusNet to my friends. What a pity.
Lee1
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This is wonderful and all, but "maximum" speeds don't mean much, if anything. What we want to see is the exact opposite -- the minimum speeds. I've heard that people are getting 4Kbps on Plusnet --- slower than dialup. How about posting some guarantees of service quality?
alan2
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Perhaps the above explains why I enjoy 6mbps one day and the next reduced to barely 500kbps. I was enjoying that speed at all times of the day but now have to endure the lower speed until PN decide to unchoke my broadband. Since going on to Option 3 last December my broadband speed has fluctuated. I suppose I keep downloading too much too soon
Oz1
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Just rang customer support on 0845 140 0200 to inquire about the unlimited package and to clarify some features of this product (before, reading this forum page). I am disappointed with the level of service that I received. The person in the call centre didn't know the difference between down load limits and traffic management/throttling.
Kelly
Hero
What was the question you were asking?
ip
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I, too, have been with PN from the days of 512Kb broadband. In those days 512Kb meant just that. I have been on Premier option 1 ("up to" 8Mb) for a few years now, and quality-wise it is now worse than when it was 512Kb! Connection is dropping, speed is horrible, I constantly hit the traffic limits, etc, etc. I have been considering an Unlimited package and asked PN support to confirm that my level of service would not go down compared with Premier O1. Guess what - they refused to positively confirm that! The only thing they are quite emphatic about is that after having been with PN for,what, 10 year? I will now be subject to 12 month contract if I "upgrade". I did mention to them that I have my house connected to Virgin Media and can switch in a flash. Do you think they cared? Not in the slightest. The main reason I am still writing this rather than calling up Virgin is because my whole family has very active PN e-mail addresses. We do have alternative arrangements, but that is not the point: All our correspondents do use PN e-mail addresses. Therefore does anyone know how can I keep my PN e-mail addresses - or re-direct them to an alternative address en masse? perhaps via MX records or some such? I have a web domain registered elsewhere, perhaps I can use that somehow to achieve that? I would really hate if I were forced to pay PN anything after I've switched away from them! And to think that PN used to have the highest customer satisfaction rate in the country!
Petra
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I'm also on Premier 1 and tbh I don't get any problems - apart from today that is where it's been out since 3am so I'm using my unlimited Sky BB at the mo instead of my plus net account (I agree with ip as I use my plus net emails as my main emails and although you can receive them through Sky you can't send anything through them which is a pain), I was thinking of moving to Unlimited, but not sure I want to now. I regularly download over 30GB per month as I design websites and graphics etc and use loads of the bandwith for uploading and downloading graphics, templates, scripts etc and I do this during the day so I don't want to lose my daytime allowance as I very rarely use it from 8pm till 9am so I'm not sure what to do.... Petra