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Contract Offers
02-08-2025 7:32 PM - edited 02-08-2025 7:52 PM
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Curses! Just noticed my account upgrade offer for 18 month re-contract to existing contract - 18 month, 40/10 FTTC + landline phone - has gone up by £2.49pm since June 2025. That's since fibre arrived where I live, also nearer the end of my current contract.
Previous cheaper deals were, of course SOGEA before fibre arrived. Should have jumped then?
Re: Contract Offers
02-08-2025 8:12 PM - edited 02-08-2025 8:15 PM
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So what are your renewal offers for -
- 18 month FTTC with phone
- 18 month SOGEA without phone
- 24 months 74Mbps FTTP (I'm guessing 18 months isn't an option)
It would be interesting to see whether the charges are designed to 'encourage' you to lose the phone or move off copper line.
@pvmb wrote:
Should have jumped then?
When I was in that position, it was noticeable that my various 'offer' prices kept changing (up and down) every few weeks,
so it was just a matter of regularly reviewing the offers, and keeping notes of the prices, to make a 'dip' easier to spot.
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Re: Contract Offers
02-08-2025 8:32 PM
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I have a feeling this may have been discussed in other threads but the first question is - do you need a phone service?
Deals do change all the time.
Brian
Re: Contract Offers
02-08-2025 9:36 PM - edited 02-08-2025 9:39 PM
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@pvmb wrote:
Just noticed my account upgrade offer for 18 month re-contract to existing contract - 18 month, 40/10 FTTC + landline phone - has gone up by £2.49pm since June 2025.
While I accept that there are different interpretations of when residential landline phones need to be transitioned to VoIP,
but even if you choose to believe the most optimistic furthest away deadline date of 31st January 2027,
that is now less than 18 months away, so it seems misleading for Plusnet to be offering 18 month "as is" phone renewals.
If was an ordinary Plusnet customer, who probably doesn't scour the tech news every day, I would have the expectation that if I signed up for an 18 month contract, that the paid for service should be guaranteed available for the agreed duration.
Even the most optimistic Plusnet sales person can't believe that an 18 month "with phone" deal can be fulfilled as currently sold !
While others here will disagree, it is my considered opinion, that it is unlikely that many residential landline phones over PSTN will exist after 31st March 2026 (only 8 months away). So even if 12 month "as is" with-phone renewals were offered, then that would still be offering false hope of having a phone service for the duration.
The only case I can see for Plusnet offering 12 or 18 month "with phone" renewals, are to unfortunate customers currently on ADSL with no other broadband options to upgrade to, as the PSTN switch off will also terminate their Plusnet ADSL broadband. Therefore having an extended period for the phone contract, gives Openreach a longer opportunity to provide FTTP before 31st January 2027, or for the Openreach transition team to supply a second ADSL line over which a SoTAP adaptor can be used to emulate an analogue phone (at least until FTTP arrives before 2030).
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Re: Contract Offers
02-08-2025 10:04 PM - edited 02-08-2025 10:17 PM
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Offers
12, 18 months Existing 40/10 FTTC with phone
24 month Full Fibre 74, FF145, FF300, FF500, FF900 all without phone.
No SOGEA offers shown, which were the alternative offers in June, before the recent coming of fibre (Officially 23 June).
BT Information
WBC FTTC Availability: Unavailable
WBC SOGEA Availability: Available
FTTP Priority Exchange: N
Does this mean Plusnet won't any longer offer SOGEA contracts once fibre has arrived?
Re: Contract Offers
02-08-2025 10:26 PM
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@pvmb wrote:
Does this mean Plusnet won't any longer offer SOGEA contracts once fibre has arrived?
There was a post recently, similarly with no offer in the Member's portal for SOGEA, and "FTTP Priority Exchange: N", who phoned in and successfully negotiated a renewal upgrade to SOGEA.
It would be worth a try if you want to put off the inevitable transition to FTTP in the next three or four years.
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Re: Contract Offers
02-08-2025 10:31 PM - edited 02-08-2025 10:33 PM
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@bmc wrote:I have a feeling this may have been discussed in other threads but the first question is - do you need a phone service?
I have accepted losing the landline as I really don't use it myself any more. Though the mobile signal can be rather up and down and there were a number of serious outages a couple of years ago. I don't think I want the bother of transferring to a VoIP service. But, like others I am a bit sentimentally attached to my long held phone number, so after seeing the June SOGEA offers I was mulling things over. i.e. Putting it off until my current contract was near ending in September.
But fibre arrived quite suddenly shortly afterwards. I have only today had a look at my current Offers, which no longer mention SOGEA type contracts - either renew as is, or FF.
Thanks outcast, I may have to try renewal by negotiation.
Re: Contract Offers
02-08-2025 10:50 PM - edited 02-08-2025 11:09 PM
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@pvmb wrote:
... I don't think I want the bother of transferring to a VoIP service ...
...
... like others I am a bit sentimentally attached to my long held phone number
Just to put an idea into your head -
If you are unsure about losing your long held number, if you were to merely migrate your phone number to an A&A VoIP account, other than the initial £12 migration charge, it would only cost you £1.44 per month to retain your phone number and leave it unused, until you finally decided whether you wanted to get rid of it, or buy a VoIP adaptor (£30) and put your old house phone back in to action. This would give you some time to consider your future phone usage options, independently of your broadband SOGEA / FTTP decisions.
For what it's worth, when I migrated my landline to A&A VoIP, the process wasn't too onerous, just filling in an online form with the details, and following the interactive instructions to setup direct debit payments. Job done.
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Re: Contract Offers
02-08-2025 10:53 PM
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Hmm that's odd, half of the above post disappeared, after I previewed it and then hit [Post].
I will attempt to retype the second half of the reply.
Sigh !
Re: Contract Offers
02-08-2025 10:58 PM - edited 02-08-2025 11:05 PM
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@pvmb wrote:
... the mobile signal can be rather up and down and there were a number of serious outages a couple of years ago
Another thought -
If you did migrate your landline number to VoIP, you could install a VoIP app such as "Acrobits Softphone" on the mobile.
Your mobile could then be used for BOTH the usual mobile calls, and as a VoIP handset for your landline number, whether you were at home (via WiFi data) or away (using mobile data).
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Re: Contract Offers
03-08-2025 12:02 PM
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If the results show your Exchange is Fibre Priority then OR will not accept any other order other than Full Fibre unless FF is not available for that property.
If the Exchange is not Fibre Priority then OR will accept SOGEA orders..
A&A have already been mentioned as a cheap way to keep your number without spending too much money on it. To make it even more attractive I believe you can set the number to permanent answer phone mode and get an email with all calls received. You then use your mobile to return the call if required.
Brian
Re: Contract Offers
03-08-2025 12:50 PM
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@bmc wrote:
I believe you can set the number to permanent answer phone mode and get an email with all calls received.
Confirmed (as an A&A VoIP user). The email contains the following -
- TIme and date of call
- Caller ID showing the caller's phone number
- Duration of voicemail message
- An .mp3 attachment with the audio of the voicemail
@bmc wrote:
If the results show your Exchange is Fibre Priority ...
In Message #5, @pvmb confirmed "FTTP Priority Exchange: N"
therefore as stated -
@bmc wrote:If the Exchange is not Fibre Priority then OR will accept SOGEA orders.
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Re: Contract Offers
03-08-2025 1:00 PM - edited 03-08-2025 1:01 PM
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@bmc wrote:
If the Exchange is not Fibre Priority then OR will accept SOGEA orders..
Agreed OR will accept orders. However, I suspect that there is a growing reluctance for ISPs to offer it as standard product due to what will be the decreasing reliabilty and increasing support resources needed to keep this dying technology going. Going forward, this will need additional ISP support (read costs and hassle) when compared with FF. Notwithstanding, that in the future FTTC will be declared redundant and there will be no choice but to move to FF.
To my simple mind, moving to SoGEA rather than FTTP makes little sense unless you do not intend to stay long in a property and don't want the hassle of the new installation.
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Re: Contract Offers
03-08-2025 1:14 PM
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@outcast wrote:
Therefore having an extended period for the phone contract, gives Openreach a longer opportunity to provide FTTP before 31st January 2027, or for the Openreach transition team to supply a second ADSL line over which a SoTAP adaptor can be used to emulate an analogue phone (at least until FTTP arrives before 2030).
Why a second ADSL line? I understand that SOTAP is designed to carry both broadband and VoIP services. Whilst VoIP might be problematic with say a Plusnet hub, which has no QoS control, ISPs that offer a combined broadband and 'Digital Phone' service provide hubs that automatically prioritise the voice port over Internet traffic.
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Re: Contract Offers
03-08-2025 2:48 PM - edited 03-08-2025 3:06 PM
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SOTAP is for lines that DON'T also carry broadband, AND are in areas that don't have VDSL or FTTP.
For existing VOICE ONLY customers with analogue phones currently connected to the local telephone exchange
SOTAP will use a dedicated ADSL connection back to the exchange to emulate an analogue phone line
this is referred to as a 'pre-digital' landline phone.
This is a temporary measure to allow Openreach more time to provide universal FTTP coverage, and upgrade those customers to VoIP over FTTP, before the telephone exchanges are decommissioned in 2030 and all SOTAP transitional products are withdrawn.
The problem with VoIP and QoS on ADSL, is that you need a theoretical minimum upstream available bandwidth somewhere around 680Kbps to 720Kbps, for there to be enough packets passing through the device performing QoS, to mathematically have any chance of prioritising and rearranging the outgoing packets for VoIP data in real time, while simultaneously using the broadband for other things.
Many people still on ADSL are in remote areas, on very long lines back to the exchange, and are unlikely to be achieving those minimum upstream speeds, so no amount of QoS will provide usable VoIP calls unless they completely cease using the broadband while making calls using VoIP over ADSL - very inconvenient for incoming calls !
For customers who get the 1.0Mbps to 1.2Mbps upload speed of ADSL2+, then yes an ISP supplier router with QoS would probably enable VoIP to work, but you can't blanket say that VoIP will work over ANY ADSL line if you use a QoS capable router.
FWIW, for several years I successfully used VoIP over "ADSLMax Premium" with 832Kbps upload sync, 720Kbps usable upload bandwidth, so yes it is possible, but spent a lot of time building my own QoS server to achieve it, and experimenting with the limits of the minimum bandwidths that were required.
For existing ADSL (i.e. broadband+voice) customers, there is a problem with the PSTN switch off.
Plusnet support when asked, have stated that Plusnet won't be supporting SoADSL lines (like most other ISPs).
Therefore when Openreach unilaterally switch off the PSTN voice circuits, the Plusnet ADSL lines will fall back to be SoADSL, and therefore Plusnet customers will lose broadband, phone, and anything else associated with their accounts.
Currently, those abandoned customers would have to move to one of the few (and expensive) ISPs that still sell SoADSL.
However for the reasons above in the QoS discussion, if the SoADSL connection isn't capable of supporting the minimum upload bandwidth for QoS to prioritise VoIP ahead of other broadband traffic, then the only options to have a VoIP phone are to have a second ADSL line that provides ONLY VoIP traffic, or somehow persuade Openreach to provide a second dedicated SoTAP line to provide the essential landline phone (although so far Openreach say that SoTAP is only for existing voice only lines).
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