Cessation Charge clarification

[#1]

Having read this post http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,87133.msg723185.html#msg723185

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SUB PART 2.0 : BROADBAND ASYMMETRIC ANCILLARY CHARGES END USER CEASE CHARGES General Description Cease charges will apply when a BT Wholesale ADSL End User service is terminated or replaced by a non-BT Wholesale ADSL End User service (cease and re-provide). A cease charge will be raised under the following circumstances: · The Service Provider raises a cease order. · The Service Provider asks BT Wholesale to raise a cease order on their behalf. · Openreach issue an unsolicited cease because the PSTN service has been terminated. A cease charge will not be raised in the following circumstances: · The End User line has been migrated to another ADSL service provider using the published migration process. · The End User line has been migrated to an LLU operator (either SMPF or MPF) using the published migration process. · When End User service is migrated to another BT Wholesale ADSL service and / or to another Communications Provider (CP) where a MAC code is used. End User Cease Charge: £24.74 (exc VAT) Operative Date: 01-04-2010

This seems to conflict with http://portal.plus.net/support/customer_service/billing/cessation_charges.shtml

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4. When do Cessation Charges apply? They apply to any customer who has a broadband cease placed on their line. Generally, the main reasons for broadband ceases are:     * A broadband account is cancelled (without switching providers)     * Switching providers without a MAC Key     * The telephone line used to provide broadband is cut off Cessation Charges don't apply when using a MAC Key to switch providers (this is called a migration), as a broadband cease is not required.

and the original quote which was taken from http://www.btwholesale.com/pages/downloads/service_and_support/service_support_hub/online_pricing_hu... is unclear to me.
The opening clause states

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Cease charges will apply when a BT Wholesale ADSL End User service is terminated or replaced by a non-BT Wholesale ADSL End User service (cease and re-provide).

which clearly indicates that a move from BT wholesale to LLU incurs the charge but the later clause appears to contradict it

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A cease charge will not be raised in the following circumstances: <snip> · The End User line has been migrated to an LLU operator (either SMPF or MPF) using the published migration process.

Is there a migration process from BTw to LLU which doesn't create the charge.

[#2]

Had the same thought when I read it, but was too busy with inoutlaws visits

[#3]

Just realised that this hasn't been answered - Thanks Steve M

[#4]

The simple answer is - if you transfer your broadband to another provider that uses your telephone line, a cessation charge will not apply.

[#5]

Thank you Ben.
Perhaps this needs to be clarified http://www.plus.net/support/customer_service/billing/cessation_charges.shtml

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4. When do Cessation Charges apply? They apply to any customer who has a broadband cease placed on their line. Generally, the main reasons for broadband ceases are:    * A broadband account is cancelled (without switching providers)    * Switching providers without a MAC Key    * The telephone line used to provide broadband is cut off Cessation Charges don't apply when using a MAC Key to switch providers (this is called a migration), as a broadband cease is not required.

http://www.talktalk.co.uk/help/joining/obtain-a-mac-code-from-your-current-service-provider.html

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Obtain a MAC code from your current service provider Once you have signed up we will contact your current provider and arrange to transfer your services to TalkTalk. In a small number of cases we may need you to contact your current provider to get a MAC (Migration Authorisation Code). We will tell you during the sign-up process if you need to do this. Don't worry; it's standard procedure to ask for it, and your existing providers will know what they have to do. Once your service with TalkTalk is up and running we would recommend that you contact your old provider to ensure that they have stopped billing you.

[#6]

Thanks Oldjim, reported as problem 62751.

[#7]

My pleasure oldjim, And thanks ben for the response