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IPv6 Trial Update

jab1
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Re: IPv6 Trial Update


@druck wrote:

I think you are selling PlusNet and it's customers short,

 


If you mean me, no I am not 'selling anyone short', just pointing out that the vast majority of domestic customers just want a reasonably reliable internet service, they don't care how it gets to them.

John
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Re: IPv6 Trial Update

Removed comment as it repeated what others have stated.

jab1
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Re: IPv6 Trial Update

As mentioned earlier in this topic, the final RFC was not ratified until 2017'

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IPv6 certainly started creeping into Cisco certification stuff before then. Probably started at the CCIE level, and I think it was filtering down to the CCNA level before then.

TimSmall
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"As mentioned earlier in this topic, the final RFC was not ratified until 2017"

This may not mean what you think.

RFCs don't usually get designated as "Internet Standards" until all of the following occur:

1. There is widespread support with multiple mature implementations.

2. The technology they describe has significant real world use.

... and importantly for this discussion:

3. The next superseding RFC for the standard in question is published.

Whilst sometimes an RFC gets reclassified as an IS retrospectively after it is published, that rarely happens, and it's usually only the next natural revision of the RFC gets published that the reclassification to "Internet Standard" happens.

e.g. NTP (the Network Time Protocol) is not yet an "Internet Standard", even though it certainly passes the first two tests (it's probably used by over 95% of devices on the Internet). If and when the current NTP standard RFC 1305 (published in 1992) gets obsoleted by a replacement RFC, then that RFC will become an Internet Standard.

The first "Internet Standard" version of IPv6 is RFC 8200 (published in 2017).

RFC 8200 obsoleted the previous IPv6 "Draft Standard" RFC 2460 (published in 1998).

 

A Draft Standard is normally considered to be a final specification,
   and changes are likely to be made only to solve specific problems
   encountered.  In most circumstances, it is reasonable for vendors to
   deploy implementations of Draft Standards into a disruption sensitive
   environment.

so draft standards (as IPv6 was by 1998) are already considered mature, ready for production use and have multiple implementations, and a good level of both support and adoption.

Plusnet and the majority of the web runs on a "draft standard" version of HTTP:

HTTP/3 (HTTP v3) carries about 20% of all web traffic, yet is only a "Proposed Standard" (one rung below draft).

HTTP/2 is only a Draft Standard, despite carrying about 50% of Internet traffic (including community.plus.net).

HTTP/1.1 only became an "Internet Standard" in 2022, it's share of traffic has now diminished to ~ 30%.

I don't think Plusnet or anyone else is being reckless or premature by using the HTTP/2 "draft standard" before its eventual "Internet Standard" status gets bestowed - it's a far better choice than HTTP/1.1 for most purposes and has been for quite some time.

jab1
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@TimSmall OK - I get the drift of what you are saying, my post from which you culled that line was based on a quick read of a Wikimedia article which has not been updated since the 2017 ratification.

John
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Re: IPv6 Trial Update

How is the trial going and any ETA on roll out?

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The quick summary from my side as a trialist is that it has been very solid.

Performance is where I expect (870/90 with other activity also present just now) and it has been very reliable.

pktnomad
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Re: IPv6 Trial Update

I can echo the above. I silently enabled this on my home network and it has caused approximately 0 issues for all the non-technical users in the house!

I've probably got a more complex setup than most (run my own kit) and getting it to work for PD to differing subnets is working as expected if not better than other Residential providers.

dave
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Re: IPv6 Trial Update

Thanks both. @banger696 I'm still working through the list of tasks we need to complete before we can go live. The good news is my Ipswich test line in one of the BT offices on the low touch network now has IPv6 and it's working fine. A few more bits and pieces to do and my home line on low touch and 1 or 2 lines in our Sheffield office should be up and running on low touch IPv6 too. Still a load more things to do before we go live but it's moving.

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Thanks @dave will keep an eye on this thread for updates. Smiley

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It's going extremely well here too, not found any issues so far.

Will see if it survives the upgrade to FTTP tomorrow.

druck
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Re: IPv6 Trial Update


@druck wrote:

Will see if it survives the upgrade to FTTP tomorrow.


Of course I forgot I was dealing with Openreach, got a text saying the engineer was here at 1634 but then didn't turn up.

dxuk
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Re: IPv6 Trial Update

Hi Dave, couple of questions,
What type of IPV6 are you offering GUA, ULA or LL?
In case of joining trail, are you removing static IP4 or stacking ipv6 to the existing?
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jab1
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Re: IPv6 Trial Update

@dxuk The trial is closed to new entrants - they have all they need.

John