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Phone Line Noise Crackly

OldRaft
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Phone Line Noise Crackly

Phone line noisy.  

Usually at my end, person we call can usually hear us ok.

Broadband is a little slower but expecting this atm

 

Call helpline at 0900 when they open, still waiting fifteen minutes later.  No info at all just music, no "You are number 99 in the queue"

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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

Hi @OldRaft, thanks for getting in touch and I'm sorry to hear you're having issues with your phone service as of recent. Upon testing your phone line we aren't detecting any faults that would be causing this however when I ran a test on your connection it has highlighted interference looks to be coming from the property. As our tests aren't picking anything external up then I'd recommend running through a few checks your side to rule a number of things out and hopefully help narrow down the cause of the noise.
I'd recommend starting with basic checks here: https://www.plus.net/help/phone/phone-line-troubleshooting/
If you haven't already then I'd also make sure to try another landline phone.

And if that doesn't help the next thing would be to rule your internal wiring out by plugging the phone without filter or router into your test socket which is under the face plate of your master socket and seeing if the noise still persists. This rules out internal wiring, face plates and extension sockets as being the cause. How to locate the test socket and set your connection into it can be found here:
https://community.plus.net/t5/Library/Testing-From-The-Master-Socket/ba-p/1322242

If the problem still persists from here we will go down the route of raising a fault. Let us know how it goes.

keithbaker100
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

Chat not available, email not allowed, unlimited wait times on my pre pay mobile.

Call yourself a communications company.

OldRaft
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

To put things into context.

Houses where I live are pre-war (the 2nd WW {a little like now}) and so I expect the underground cables are pre-war too, up to the FTTC connection.

We have had noise on the line on and off for thirty years.

We have replaced the DECT phone several times, mostly BT phones.

I have a Mk4 master socket, which has two connections, phone and BB.

There are no additional phone sockets = no other devices like Sky boxes etc. connected (usual reason the remove face plate) 

The master socket (ms) has been replaced twice.

The cable from ms to wall outside has been replaced in the last ten years.

The cable from the wall to the telegraph pole has been replaced also in last ten years.

On seeing a Openreach Engineer down a hole next to the telegraph pole and the phone suddenly getting noisy, less than ten years ago we booked a call and the twisted pair running down the road was changed.

On BB speed dropping a lot last year including Upload dropping from 10 to 1 Mbps, Openreach visited again, the guy went above and beyond the call of duty and found that at one of the green cabinets down the road it still has "screw terminals" supposedly junked years ago, one of these was loose. {The guy got rollocked by his boss for this as all he was supposed to do was check the speed at my house} 

The electrical/electronic noise as far as I know possibly exists but is unlikely to affect the phone (ok pulling rank here as I used to be an electronics engineer and moved to IT for a long while too) 

I have tried to get help (from PN and OR) with the "noise"  and have moved or eliminated possible sources, LED lights (yes dc ! but they get it a noisy way from 240v)  DECT phones, microwave etc. far enough away and all mains leads have ferrite cores etc.  Didn't think of the central heating pump. maybe it's noisy. 

The noise on the phone line is odd, call another help line and the recorded message was clear as a bell, as soon as it switched to a real person the crackling started, noise is also at our end not the person we are speaking to which makes reporting the fault annoying as PN etc. have a perfectly clear sound. 

Out of the possibly fifteen (could be twenty) visits we have had over 30 years no fault has ever been found at my home, albeit we have had all the changes above wires sockets etc.  but 99.9% of the time the noise was never evident at the time the engineer visited, and it is possible that noise was evident to people at the other end of a call sometimes. 

And.. As I have both phone and BB from PN I don't have to go round in circles when booking a BB call. 

CONCLUSION

Eighty year old cables underground and obsolete connections in green cabinets probably don't help.

I have no idea if voice goes VoIP once at the green cabinet.

Openreach must waste a LOT of time on problems like this which would be totally eliminated with FTTP.

The government decision to let NTL (now Virgin Media) have a monopoly (cos we will go bust if we have any competition) on a fibre network some thirty years ago prevented BT/Openreach from installing fibre throughout the country = UK being years behind most of Europe and Asia in connectivity to homes and businesses. 

One of the things that would get the UK back on its feet when we recover from the present problems is better communication for the whole country  = countryside not just towns !  Put fibre in everywhere !  (and get Virgin Media to share their network as BT Have to ! ) 

And finally when I did get through it was remove the BT face plate and install a micro-filter (again) 

 

 

 

 

POMPEYFAN
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

Please don't use the term "Engineer". They are not Engineers, but technicians. Unless they have the degrees and the registration with an institution like the IET, and certification from the Engineering Council, then they or anyone else can not call themselves "Engineers". It's a heavily misused term and should be banned like it is in many countries like Australia and Germany.

keithbaker100
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

Mea Culpa.

OldRaft
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

Yes I know being an "Engineer"  myself BSc. MIET (lots of other professional qualifications too) myself, I know your frustration but I have long given up trying to get this fixed.

 

So please don't clog up my post with information not relevant to my phone line noise !  

 

If you want to have a bitch about being a professional engineer then open a post on that 🙂 

 

Or better still come up with some useful info on phone line noise ?????  

 

PS   Your MP is a better person to bug that me on handles for "Engineers" 

keithbaker100
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

I'm not an engineer, that's someone else. When I picked my receiver up there was a loud crackling, ergo I replied to your post'

Sorry for being a pain  in the bottom, complain to the "engineer" not me.

POMPEYFAN
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

I have the same problem, it makes my internet drop out and it's impossible to hear anyone on the landline. I have, like you tried phoning, but the call centre is closed. They won't fix your line for you.

You could do what I have done and change provider.

Now I am leaving, I get loads of emails and now a letter asking me to phone them.

Quote "We've got a team of helpful Plusnet advisors to answer anyquestions you have about leaving. Call us free on 0800 694 0016"

Why don't you call that number and tell them you are leaving unless they fix your line? If you want to stay with them of course.

I don't, as I have had so much trouble with Plusnet, I can't wait to leave. "We'll do you proud?" WALOB.

From An Engineer MSc CEng MIET MIEAust.

OldRaft
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

Complex situation ish.

Plusnet charge a LOT LESS than most providers (ok the start of another p***ing contest as to who pays the most/least)  PLEASE DON'T .    Anyone wishing to follow this up just look at a certain consumer magazine and their reviews on ISPs.

 

As far as fixing things (the Openreach guy I got said they get a whole six weeks training! ) it is down to Openreach regardless of who your ISP is.  It is possibly that an ISPs  support personnel have a better understanding of how things work but after that the Openreach (guy)  🙂  visits and does his best.  As in my example the guy had the oldest piece of test equipment in the world, being the Newbie)  

Even some of the better ones (Sorry A&A) get it seriously wrong and cause a few DAYS of lost time at a customer sorting out their mistakes.

Plusnet claim to have award winning team (can't remember the quote) did anyone question this and take it up with Ofcom

NOISE on the LINE 

First place to look is for bad connections and interference as most people will have a connection that ends in unscreened twisted pair.  There are endless possibilities and with a lot of sophisticated error correction kit between you and the green cabinet trying to get rid of errors just look at your modem stats and you will see billions of errors (ok ok for the purists it ISN'T  a modulator/demodulator as in the dial up days). 

After a reboot yesterday

RS Words 187280304 899348650
RS Correctable Errors 99182 146

 

Eats words, that isn't as bad as normal ! 

Interference could well be at your home, but your ISP may tell you there is a problem but obviously no help in sorting that out. 

For interference pick anything electrical, the vac, the microwave, the central heating thermostat, LED lights, the switching mode power supply in your  PC, wall wart power supplies that are used to charge everything, a UPS that outputs a square wave. 

As before, the answer is fibre all the way to your house like NTL {Virgin Media}  (ok again lol  they use coax ) 

 

keithbaker100
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

My internet drops out for 5 minutes, 2 or 3 times a day. Plusnet have been saying for months that it doesn't show up on their equipment, so it's not their problem. Maybe they will ignore this thread as well.

Who are you moving to?

keithbaker100
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

I got someone else to call the fault in and Openreach  fixed it without coming to the house.

POMPEYFAN
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

The whole point of the "noisy line" threads on this Forum Oldraft is the fact taht Plusnet are not answering the phone for anyone to log a fault call. We all know whoever you use apart from Vigin media use copper from the excahnge to your house and that's Openreach. As an ISP, I would have thought that Plusnet could have sent their call centre operatives home with a company mobile and a laptop and got phone lines re-directed and used the laptop to VPN into the system.

But no, they just close the help line down and expect a noisy line to be fixed by going on this forum.

I agree that most if not all ISP's are pretty useless, it's just how much you are prepared to pay.

I'm going fibre with Virgin, at least they own their own network.

OldRaft
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Re: Phone Line Noise Crackly

OK lets start again, the whole point of THIS POST   🙂  is my crackly line and the fact that they did after a while answer my call, can't remember if it was twenty minutes or more, maybe listed that earlier.

 

REPEAT  This post is about my crackly line, if you want to moan about calls open a new thread (please) 

In fact (sigh) not all lines that aren't Virgin Media are via phone lines, there are possibly dozens of other systems from communities and third parts sponsored by the government (unfortunately as no one can piggy-back on them) around the country. Numerous companies who do fibre too. 

I didn't go through the whole PN info on what the problem could be as I have been there so many times before and I could probably write the book.

Interestingly with the MK IV face-plate removed and working with a micro-filter in the test socket (as suggested and not the first time) the phone line for the moment is ok.