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Contlued use of analogue phone

Dan_the_Van
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Re: Contlued use of analogue phone

@bmc 

Maybe plusnet have already been granted permission as a result of them not providing a digital phone service.

Why would my renew on line offer be a 18 month "Unlimited Fibre Extra" contract (renewed 15th November 2024 to 14th May 2026) if the intention for plusnet is to close the landline service after 12 months, shouldn't I have been offered just 12 months?  

Just stick to the facts and stop speculating.

 

 

 

 

Townman
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Re: Contlued use of analogue phone

Dan,

I would suspect it will be similar to the exit from business services. When a date is known things will change and service cease notices will be issued.

I signed up to a 2 year business service; 10 days later the intention to withdraw from business services was announced albeit with no firm termination date. I sat tight - a two year contract is a two year contract.

Eventually a 90 day service termination notice was given along with a waiver of the ETCs. The business will keep taking business until it has a clear, if not firm end date. When the end is known the commercial commitments will be dealt with, either delivering the contract to termination or breaking it as is in the gift of either party.

As I found out with the business account - if I break it, I face penalties - if the supplier breaks it, tough, get on with it, but in the meantime they will readily accept the fish.

Superusers are not staff, but they do have a direct line of communication into the business in order to raise issues, concerns and feedback from the community.

Dan_the_Van
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Re: Contlued use of analogue phone

@Townman 

 Hopefully you have read the complete thread, previously I posted

"Looking at the withdrawal of plusnet mobile phone service, it was carried out over an extended period starting with a stop sale March 2023. It was finally switched off this year.

I would hope the withdrawal of the landline phone service (PSTN) would follow a similar path, hopefully an announcement by at the latest end of Q2 2025 what plusnet intentions are"

I would say our thoughts are very much aligned regarding this topic I would like you expect a managed withdrawal of the product by not offering a landline phone service completely for existing customers, the difference to your situation the EOL for WLR is already known, its 31st January 2027

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Re: Contlued use of analogue phone


@Dan_the_Van wrote:

@bmc 

Maybe plusnet have already been granted permission as a result of them not providing a digital phone service.

Why would my renew on line offer be a 18 month "Unlimited Fibre Extra" contract (renewed 15th November 2024 to 14th May 2026) if the intention for plusnet is to close the landline service after 12 months, shouldn't I have been offered just 12 months?  

Just stick to the facts and stop speculating.

 


You ask me to stop speculating and then speculate that PN may have already been granted a waiver. Really.

 

Until PN management take a decision to close the service existing customers will be able, if they so choose, to renew their phone service. When a date is set, termination notices will be issued - one would hope for at least 90 days.

 

I see no reason for PN to spend time and money asking for a waiver for a service they are withdrawing from providing. I also see no reason why OR would issue a general waiver (a year in advance) when they want people off PSTN. My opinion. Until we hear otherwise people must be made aware that Dec 2025 is likely to be the end - if not before. If a phone service matters to them it gives them a chance to consider alternatives and what's required for VOIP.

 

Brian

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Re: Contlued use of analogue phone

@bmc 

The point here being I would expect a notice period to be given rather than just a switch off at the end of November as you suggested. 

I agree that it is unlikely openreach would be prepared to extend individual contract without good reason.

You would have to agree in general the PSTN switch off isn't going well otherwise the January 2027 extension would not have been required.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/12/isp-zen-internet-warn-uk-business-unprepared-for-phone... 

From personal experience from when I worked, I don't think plusnet are managing the PSTN switch off at all, no announcements which results in a information vacuum.

It really is time for them (plusnet) to stop allowing landline contracts being renewed without good reason, eventually it will be a mess and their support will be overloaded with 'what do I do now' calls, the reply being ask the forum ! The forum should not be used as part of their support model.

Time to move on..

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Re: Contlued use of analogue phone

@Dan_the_Van 

Sounds like you're coming round to my way of thinking. End of 2025 for the general closure of PN phone services. Might be the odd exception here and there.

 

I perhaps should have stated I expect a notice period for the termination of phone services. Taking end of November as the end date and a 90 days notice period I would expect things to be announced by end of July at the latest.

 

In one respect PN are managing the withdrawal from providing a phone service. By not offering a service to new customers and the continued voluntary transfer of existing customers onto SOGEA or FTTP they are reducing the numbers involved when the plug is finally pulled.

 

Presumably information will be given on what to do once notice is finally given.

 

Brian

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Re: Contlued use of analogue phone

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Think what you like.

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Re: Contlued use of analogue phone


@Dan_the_Van wrote:

From personal experience from when I worked, I don't think plusnet are managing the PSTN switch off at all, no announcements which results in a information vacuum.

It really is time for them (plusnet) to stop allowing landline contracts being renewed without good reason, eventually it will be a mess and their support will be overloaded with 'what do I do now' calls, the reply being ask the forum!


TBF I do not think we know what Plusnet IS doing.  The reality of users is, as here, they will speculate and ask the same questions over and over, leading to an overload of the support channels.  That challenge can be mitigated by referring them to the reusable guidance created around here.  I might argue that the forums is the best support channel the business has - it is available 24/7, has a wealth of largely informed information, but more importantly readily available solutions to issues / scenarios encountered previously.

 

What is certain is that PTSN has a limited life - be that end of 2025 or early 2027.  Arguing over the precise date is a distraction from encouraging people to plan, especially those who have a marked dependence on a fixed landline due to poor mobile coverage or home support devices dependant on a fixed copper circuit.  Switching to VoIP, which provider, choosing an Uninterruptable Power Supply if deemed essential (would be good to see a thread on that) etc., could be the easiest part of the journey, if there are care / fire / burglar alarm systems installed, especially if they are not in contact and / or need wholesale replacement.  All of that will take time, probably more than any 90 days ... so planning that NOW seems like an imperative.  That might be a more productive use of our gifts of time here.

Local groups might start campaigning for better mobile coverage with their providers - I have done that already with EE (I have a contact).  Though it is recognised that my local coverage is poor (I am by no means out in the rural sticks), no improvement is expected for at least 12 months.  There is a major kit replacement programme being run - old kit (Huawei and Nokia) being turned off, new capacity being added with new 4G kit.  Note that 5G does not have the same reach as 4G.

 

Back to PN in this game - certainly they have stopped selling POTS/PTSN services to new users.  For existing users re-contracting, where available there is a focus on moving users to FTTP (without voice).  If the user wants to (a) keep their 'landline' and (b) wants someone else to sort out delivering a two-play service, there is the option of migrating them to BT/EE (with the associated issues).  If users want to re-contract EXACTLY as is (that means no BTOR / BTW order - just changes to billing) then for as long as the service can be delivered, until the final notice, they can ... if THEY wish to.

Though we have seen no evidence of it, I can imagine that the business might also be running a number of quiet campaigns: for example I periodically get messages advising that I can get super-extremely-fast FTTP (if I want it).  Another potential audience for quite targeting, is those who have a 'with phone' service, but make no outbound calls.

 

Target enough low-hanging fruit and get them off their landlines with such tactical activities BEFORE the strategic announcement of the end game, would go a long way to avoid a scenario of "support will be overloaded with 'what do I do now' calls".

Superusers are not staff, but they do have a direct line of communication into the business in order to raise issues, concerns and feedback from the community.

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Re: Contlued use of analogue phone

Wow, a lot to read thanks.

The reason I started this thread is that my contract with Plusnet expires in January (2025).

I had been paying for line only currently at £21.99 per month with broadband free of charge.

I phoned Plusnet and within seconds a real person answered.

My concern was about losing use of my landline in future when incoming calls from aged friends had called my landline number instead of my cellphone number.

After a very helpul discussion with Plusnet from which I understood that I could renew my contract for 24 monthst at my current monthly charge.

Also I was sent the latest router.

So I think that this thread can be ended now.

Thanks to all who joined in.

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Re: Contlued use of analogue phone

@silvefleece 

Just to be absolutely clear.

 

You will lose your landline at some point during the contract. As you will have read there are conflicting thoughts on when. Apart for what OR are planning, there's no word yet when PN are finally going to pull the plug on their phone services.

 

When that happens (hopefully with at least 3 months notice) your phone goes, contract or no contract.

 

Brian