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who is connected to an IP address

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30166477
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The new measure, which is expected to be introduced to the Commons this week, would help police to identify suspects via a computer or mobile device's IP address.

Is this possible?
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Not entirely. It will only identify that a particular account has accessed certain web sites via records that an ISP has to keep. It will not identify the individual who has accessed those sites, just the account.
And if someone wants to use the so-called "dark-web" where IP addresses are allocated from an anonymous server, it will probably be very difficult, especially if those servers don't run a logging procedure.
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I'm a surprised that the security services haven't been pushing the technology companies for the early adoption of IPv6, to improve their snooping.
As a simplified generalization -

  • With IPv4 an external monitor (such as an ISP, GCHQ, NSA, etc) can track your IP as far as your router, but not to the specific computer on your network - because your computer is likely to be hiding behind NAT (Network Address Translation) and a gateway firewall, on a private LAN address provided by your router.
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  • WIth IPv6, each computer on your network has an internet accessible IP address, and therefore can be tracked.
    Depending on how your network allocates IPv6 LAN addresses, you can enable privacy settings which can randomize the LAN subnet part of the IPv6 address each time the computer is started,  although the other extreme is that some IPv6 LAN IP allocation schemes can use the computer's ethernet port MAC address as part of the IPv6 address - so the device is definitively identifiable !.


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I think most of us can realistically understand this from both sides. Track IPs and you have a solid chance of catching internet criminals, don't track IPs and MI5 will eventually find something useful anyway but at a larger cost etc.
To be honest, this is such a controversial issue that I find myself thinking the public should be given the vote and then we put the matter to bed once and for all.
The security services have always been able to deal with these matters of interest anyway so I fail to see why the government and police are so determind that everything is recorded other than to give MPs some feeling of power over their local constituents.
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And if someone wants to use the so-called "dark-web" where IP addresses are allocated from an anonymous server, it will probably be very difficult, especially if those servers don't run a logging procedure.

I wonder how much truth there is in the claims that the 'dark web' is untraceable?  I seem to recall that it was first developed by American security services to 'provide a secure method of communication'.  How much better if they had the means to track/decode  anything on there,then announce how secure it is. This would give them a great advantage over  all the criminal organisations, terrorists etc using it believing it secure.
Or maybe I am just dubious about everything the Americans say Wink
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I've always been a bit suspicious about TOR if i'm honest.
I've never bothered using or even trying it but it always sounded way too good to be true.
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For experimental purposes only, I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I've installed TOR on a win 7 PC that has nothing else on it (win 7 and TOR), an IP address is assigned to the TOR browser from a server somewhere, but still the PC is assigned an IP address from my DHCP server.
From a DOS prompt on the TOR pc I can ping both my assigned PN x IP address and the TOR assigned address.
I've set a keyword block on my router, (talk-talk as an example), then searched for talk-talk in the TOR browser, guess what .............. the connection is reported and flagged (to my admin PC).
Then I lost interest......................zzzzzz
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@ journeys...... haven`t got a clue what you are talking about........  Undecided  should I be worried  ?  Huh
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should I be worried  ?  Huh

No  Smiley ...................  just having a senior moment, got Dark Web, Dark Matter and Dark Energy confused
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Oh good.....  Smiley
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Will we be expected to vote for this Stasi (Ministry for State Security)?
Bit like turkeys voting for Christmas. Sad

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For experimental purposes only, I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I've installed TOR on a win 7 PC that has nothing else on it (win 7 and TOR), an IP address is assigned to the TOR browser from a server somewhere, but still the PC is assigned an IP address from my DHCP server.
From a DOS prompt on the TOR pc I can ping both my assigned PN x IP address and the TOR assigned address.
I've set a keyword block on my router, (talk-talk as an example), then searched for talk-talk in the TOR browser, guess what .............. the connection is reported and flagged (to my admin PC).
Then I lost interest......................zzzzzz

Not entirely sure if you're saying it didn't route traffic via TOR or if it did but...
I never found a way to force anything on windows to select a specific connection over another other than the default gateway settings. Granted that may be a good place to start but it seems that you cannot configure each individual program (eg different browsers IE and FF) to use different connections because they use the 'internet settings'. So how does TOR claim to override this and pipe all program traffic via TOR? - I'd find it hard to believe that it can override the default gateway settings to be honest.
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TOR from what I have read is releated to many criminal activities... so I say stay clear unless your a criminal Tongue
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The problem is when the Home Office draft any legislation they make a right pig's ear of the process and inevitably end up producing a mess which punishes the innocent and lets the guilty get away.
Personally I don't mind if Plus Net port mirror all of my internet stuff directly to the boys and girls down the road in Cheltenham. I do some pretty scary research when I'm in my author mode which must have raised flags on the DHS and MI5/Police computer systems. In one of my plots I was researching how to break into bank vaults and also details of cocaine trading. In my professional mode I might be researching ballistic protection of buildings. Their problem is if they are not careful they'll be swamped with useless information.
I would object strongly if they expect Plus Net to fund this monitoring. It would only add to our bills.
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TOR from what I have read is releated to many criminal activities... so I say stay clear unless your a criminal Tongue

Yeah I also thought that. How do you know other TOR users aren't downloading or uploading child porn using your IP? - You don't! The entire thing seems somewhat shady if you ask me. I certainly wouldn't trust it. My own private server out there in another country that I can VPN into and get out to the web via that machine yes but not TOR.
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The problem is when the Home Office draft any legislation they make a right pig's ear of the process and inevitably end up producing a mess which punishes the innocent and lets the guilty get away.

It probably has something to do with the fact that they're all criminals at the top anyway. Royalty ancesters are VLad the impaler (a mass murderer who was power hungry) MPs have been caught helping themselves to cash and funding PIE (Peado Info Exchange) and all sorts of other things. How can MPs legitimately fund an illegal organisation that represents criminals of the sickets nature? They can't. They've been covering things up and playing sick little games behind the closed doors of westminster. If they created real laws that really punished real criminals they'd all get blown out of the water too so their interests are to keep the little people in line instead. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they're all twisted in the head as there will always be a few who are genuine however there does appear to be a growing number of scandals in Westminster that seems to involve the large majority quite frequently.
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I do some pretty scary research when I'm in my author mode which must have raised flags on the DHS and MI5/Police computer systems

Do you have any black vans with tinted windows down the road from you?  Cheesy Don't worry, if you suddenly disappear at least we'll know that you won't have rats in your cell and waterboarding is now heavily frowned on Wink
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