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thisoldman
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totally Irresponsible?


There has been numerous reports recently re computer hacking. Sony,IMF acer ,g-mail,yahoo and hotmail have all experienced attacks.
a well known computer magazine has now printed this article:
http://blog.cpp.co.uk/index.php/articles/category/cybercrime.
scroll down page and read experiment  they did using volunteers.

also        http://dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
If you type "computer hacking videos onto youtube you will see dozens of them."
Is this responsible  behaviour from those who should know better?
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Re: totally Irresponsible?

That is one way of looking at it, but you are missing the elephant in the room !
When you consider that for the majority of DoS (Denial of Service) attacks and blanket SPAM email broadcasting are launched from a vast network of unsuspecting and unprotected drone Microsoft Windows PCs, then I think Microsoft should step up and take responsibility for it's shockingly poorly designed products, come up with an inherently secure and stable replacement (for current and legacy products), and then release it for free using Windows Update.
It simply isn't good enough in the internet age to be selling an operating system that BY DEFAULT does NOT have a robust anti-SPAM solution OR an industrial strength firewall, built in.
I don't think it is reasonable for every Windows user around the world (especially in the poorer countries) to be expected to have the knowledge or the funds to install security products on their machines before connecting to the internet !.
It is quite frightening to play with with some of the internet security vulnerability checkers that are available these days.
Even on PC's that have the latest and greatest security products such as Norton, these vulnerability checkers find pages and pages of open TCP/IP ports, details and version numbers of most of the internet facing programs, and a hundred and one ways that you need to make registry or other changes to minimise vulnerabilities.  You do the same test on a freshly installed Linux without any additional security, and either the machine is invisible (i.e. no vulnerabilities), or you might get the odd warning about an open port (such as SSH on TCP port 22) and an advisory warning about try to use secure passwords, but the probing does not get any further than that.
If Bill Gates wants to take on projects for world good, then he should take responsibility for his baby (Windows), and make it grow up to be a responsible net citizen, rather than be a unsupervised hooligan with personality issues !
thisoldman
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Re: totally Irresponsible?


Wink
you might like to try    http://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

whilst i dont dispute what you say i simply think its not a good idea to show/tell people how to hack.
i have just been told since the op that it took someone  5 mins to crack  a uk web based email service  no names mentioned lol
gswindale
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Re: totally Irresponsible?

Never heard of CPP magazine - who is it published by?  Where is it in WHS as I cannot find it amongs PC+, PC Pro etc.
(A google on them suggests they have a vested interest in trying to get people to buy their policies so any article from them will necessarily be biased!)
The Daily Wail is also renowed for exaggerating for good effect.
Looking at a definition of the word "hack", when applied to computing it means " to devise or modify (a computer program)".  Nothing in the definition states that it is illegal.
I have, in the past, used the more common interpretation of a "hack" to legitimitely gain access to a system - when we acquired a database following a take-over without the login details for the application - a dig into the database itself revealed the encrypted application passwords and a common-sense method of looking at user names & passwords gave a clue as to a possible valid login which worked.
There are therefore legitimate reasons for people being aware and able to "hack".  It is just, once again, the media only portraying the negative side of things as it sells better.
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Re: totally Irresponsible?

With a bit of effort it is possible to find information on almost any topic on the internet both legal & illegal.
Information about hacking is just one aspect of this. I recently saw a you tube video which showed how to open a yale lock in a few seconds with a homemade key... thus making millions of homes accesable to thieves , even worse is that a number of these you tube videos exist, as do other videos containing illegal keys for various software.
I fully agree it is irresponsible to make information like this available but then who decides what should or should not be available ? The Government of a country ? The courts ? or should all information be made available ?
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Re: totally Irresponsible?

It's not just the software.  The Zyxel router I have doesn't allow me to run in stealth mode, because it's not a business product but is aimed at consumers.  That's just terrible.
Heloman
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Re: totally Irresponsible?

Quote from: thisoldman

you might like to try     http://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

ShieldsUp! is an excellent tool which I've used for years. I'm a big fan of the GRC security/privacy newsgroups which have taught me a lot.
https://www.grc.com/discussions.htm
There's a read-only web version of the groups here:
http://12078.net/grcnews/