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Re: "Opting in" to pornography

What I don't understand is, why the web cannot apply the same rules as mobile phone companies do (or used to).
It used to be that all adult sites were blocked until an adult opted to access these sites by applying with a credit card to prove your age.
This would mean that the person 'opting in' would take responsibility for any minors accessing any unsuitable sites on that device.
All too often the parents delegate responsibility to ISP, Teachers, Joe Bloggs etc...anything or anyone else rather than take responsibility themselves.
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Re: "Opting in" to pornography

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Yes without a doubt child abuse material needs to be wiped off the web - I agree with that.

Absolutely.
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Re: "Opting in" to pornography

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It used to be that all adult sites were blocked until an adult opted to access these sites by applying with a credit card to prove your age.

They weren't blocked as you put it, more that they wouldn't serve you as a viewer until they had a way to get cash out of you. They were not blocked by ISPs and governments - you're getting muddled there.
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Re: "Opting in" to pornography

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It used to be that all adult sites were blocked until an adult opted to access these sites by applying with a credit card to prove your age.

Well, I wouldn't know about that.  Shocked  honest!
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Re: "Opting in" to pornography

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The thing is when you look at how society has degenerated into a huge sex driven mess over the last 15 or so years, Cameron is right really. Children need to be taken back to being children rather than being obsessed with sex at an early age.
... Yes without a doubt child abuse material needs to be wiped off the web - I agree with that. Having an op in/out filter for normal porn on every internet connection however is going too far. Perhaps a law that forces ISPs to impose it on connections where children are accessing the web might be more suitable - EG when someone signs up, the ISP is forced to ask if there is any minors in the house / facility and if there are, the ISP then imposes this restriction.

It's got very little to do with child abuse and everything to do with control. The child abuse angle is just part of the ploy. Chuck that in to try to weaken anybody who might disagree because 'if you disagree well then you must support child abuse', etc - or worse. On one level it has much to do with passing on the costs of policing because if the government don't have to pay a special police department to filter and monitor, and instead get the ISPs to do it, all the better for their greedy pockets and they can still be seen to be doing something. What nobody is questioning is that if we have all these laws and all these departments out getting 'the perverts', that ominous and present-on-every-corner bogey-man, because, you know, 'the perverts' are EVERYWHERE tracking all of our children, all of the time, and as one famous comedy program mockingly had some years ago 'disguising themselves as schools' in order to achieve this getting of our children, then why do we need to control what everyone can access? Is it such a resounding failure? Is there something they're not telling us? Oh, wait, or are they trying to subtly suggest that everyone who accesses adult material, or would oppose them on this (and this is the worst) is at least a potential if not actual child abuser. Could that be subtly discerned in the ploy beside the 'if you disagree then you must support child abuse' angle? Maybe it is that AND the shocking fact that 'perverts' aren't EVERYWHERE.
We can also be sure that this will go ahead because it makes very neat use of guilt to quash resistance. Already at least one person has mentioned in thread in regard to opting in, something to the effect of 'but they'll know I'm opting in'. Shame. Guilt and shame about natural and normal sexuality and for fear of being labelled a pervert.
You comment on degeneration of society into a sex driven mess. It goes like this: Allow the proliferation of sex, as it were, in various depictions throughout mainstream media, including your common The Sun. Have it absolutely plastered all over television and magazines, music videos and film all effectively telling people, children included, that sex is good. Be filthy, be debauched, have it all, have it often, have it with many, and sell people absolutely everything and anything by using sex as the bait. Then guilt trip people, telling them that 'the perverts' are everywhere and it's all because of the proliferation of sex, all that information that told you sex is good and to have it all. It's called 'psychopathic conditioning' and a great way to control people.
And all the while everyone is getting wrapped up in 'oh well, yes, I think everything must be done about these perverts'. Falling right into the trap and ignoring what is really going on with proposals like this.
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No guys, it was the phone companies. I wanted to access a joke page, And as it had adult content, so the mobile company would remove the block, I had to give them my credit card details to prove my age (even though they had given me a monthly contract - which would be null and void).
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I bet any amount that the majority of MPs would 'opt in' but would also deny doing so!
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As I don't have any children in my household and none that visit, I don't need this 'filter' yet It's something I still have to opt out of? Genius.
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Re: "Opting in" to pornography

Me too.
But if I still had young children I would still opt-out.
You can be sure that not 100% of households would opt for these silly filters.
So ALL children would still have access to relatively unfiltered content.

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Exactly, I believe that any ISP level filter will be pretty much completely useless.
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What I would like to know is how?
Will the filter just consist of a constantly updated list of web addresses?
Will there be an MP in charge of porn? Tongue
Will they make a fortune in getting bribes from porn sites for not including their web address?
Will facebook be classed as a porn site?
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Re: "Opting in" to pornography

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Will they make a fortune in getting bribes from porn sites for not including their web address?

What?!? An 'Honorable Member' involved in some kind of 'Sleaze'? Unthinkable!  Cheesy
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Lots of Internet Users can expect a knock on the door in the next few days.
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Re: "Opting in" to pornography

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Me too.
But if I still had young children I would still opt-out.
You can be sure that not 100% of households would opt for these silly filters.
So ALL children would still have access to relatively unfiltered content.

According to the latest government statistics (2011) only 26% of households have children under the age of 16.  So to "protect the children" the other 74% will have their internet censored unless they opt out of the filtering.
This filtering is for the lazy or bad parents out there (you know the type, go to the pub for a drink and then drive off leaving their children behind) who can't be bothered to talk to their children about internet use or decide to opt into an ISP filtering system
noticed on /. that there is a government E Petition against this filtering, currently just over 10300 votes
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Re: "Opting in" to pornography

The volume of porn on twitter and tumblr makes this totally unworkable! It takes less than 30 secs to find a lot of porn on social networks. Just search for #bbc!