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government agencies have full access to Vodafone’s 400 million customers

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government agencies have full access to Vodafone’s 400 million customers

[quote= http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jun/06/vodafone-reveals-secret-wires-allowing-state-surveillance]Vodafone, one of the world's largest mobile phone groups, has revealed the existence of secret wires that allow government agencies to listen to all conversations on its networks, saying they are widely used in some of the 29 countries in which it operates in Europe and beyond.
The company has broken its silence on government surveillance in order to push back against the increasingly widespread use of phone and broadband networks to spy on citizens, and will publish its first Law Enforcement Disclosure Report on Friday. At 40,000 words, it is the most comprehensive survey yet of how governments monitor the conversations and whereabouts of their people.
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The company said wires had been connected directly to its network and those of other telecoms groups,

Are PlusNet affected by this ?Huh
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Re: government agencies have full access to Vodafone’s 400 million customers

From your link
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On the question of whether the UK uses direct-access pipes, Vodafone's Deadman said such a system would be illegal because Britain did not permit agencies to obtain information without a warrant.
So the answer is NO and the title of this thread is totally misleading.
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In about six of the countries in which Vodafone operates, the law either obliges telecoms operators to install direct access pipes, or allows governments to do so
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No disrespect OJ
As you are not an employee of PlusNet
You can not definitively say NO, as that would have to come from PlusNet themselves, & unless you have access to that data to back up you statement from PlusNets servers / employees
Just because A.B or C companies reside in the UK does not mean that either A.B or C are breaking any laws or vice versa
How do we know which are / are not breaking any laws, that are not brought to public attention from the likes of whistle blowers / news media etc
The simple answer is we don't
Edit;
Please scroll down the bottom to see the UK figures for the National Metadata / Content
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Re: government agencies have full access to Vodafone’s 400 million customers

Let us step back from your conspiracy theories
No phone calls made in the UK using the BT Openreach network go anywhere near Plusnet servers so the answer is that it doesn't affect Plusnet as I stated
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Can you provide, proof by solid evidence to support your claim ?Huh
Ha ha ha ha haaaaa
Calls do go near & get recorded on PlusNets servers (unless outsourced to a 3rd party)
OJ
I know your a fanboi & all
But come on show us your proof or will it be like the questions I asked in the email 08/05/2014 (never answered cause you aint got the proof) ?Huh
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Re: government agencies have full access to Vodafone’s 400 million customers

Mobile calls go via the GSM networks and never hit our network.
Landline calls go via the BT Wholesale and Openreach infrastructure and never touch our network. All we see of them is Call Records which we use to bill off.
The only difference here is if someone is using a femtocell which is connected to their broadband, but then we'd not know if that internet traffic is a phone call.
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Cheer Kelly
That is a Point I was trying for OJ to explain
Which could simply be a case of how would we know ??
To clarify any confusion
A femtocell is a small, low-power cellular base station, typically designed for use in a home or small business
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How would we know what?  I've just agreed with OldJim that we don't see phone calls to record?
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Re: government agencies have full access to Vodafone’s 400 million customers

that vodaphone figure is misleading anyway for the UK,
some half a million phones are supplied to various government agencies in the uk under contract with vodacr*p and all there "metadata" is supplied to the contract branch paying the bills.......
in years gone by there were 1.2 million on vodaphone contracts (mostly overseas subsidiaries running as VPN's) but recently its been cheaper for them to get supplied by a reputable group that charges half as much and actually pays its taxes....

having said that only when a warrant is issued by a duly appointed person can personal communications be intercepted or there billing info be released without the bill payers consent........yet they willingly give unhindered billing info access to other 3rd party commercial groups without warrants or bill payers consent and fail to disclose that in anyway shape or form.....
as to getting your digital life tracked and traced, if you don't want to get caught doing something wrong don't do it .....you can thank labour for implementing policies like DPI (part of PRISM) and various others that are part of the national security and have far more to do with snooping than legitimate concern from the thought police.....
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How would we know what?  I've just agreed with OldJim that we don't see phone calls to record?
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The only difference here is if someone is using a femtocell which is connected to their broadband, but then we'd not know if that internet traffic is a phone call.

This part I was referring to as
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Cheer Kelly
That is a Point I was trying for OJ to explain
Which could simply be a case of how would we know ??
To clarify any confusion
A femtocell is a small, low-power cellular base station, typically designed for use in a home or small business
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Re: government agencies have full access to Vodafone’s 400 million customers

If we didn't know it was a phone call, we couldn't log it Smiley
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I'm surprised at the surprise of our communications being monitored, this has been going on for decades. It is non-news.
The process of tapping into telcoms cables, including optical fibre is really a quite easy process. In the UK there's supposed to be some form of oversight, in other countries they'll be more authoritarian to ensure they can keep tabs and detect the people who actively agitate against the current Establishment/Dictatorship. The only sure defence is to encrypt the transmission with a protocols/device which doesn't have a Government "backdoor" built into it. By using uncrackable encryption  you'll attract the attention of the security authorities and they'll use alternative methods if they think you warrant sufficient attention.
BT has always had a secret side to some of it's activities from monitoring through to providing private parallel networks for secure Gov't organisations. This information is in the public domain, but the regulations will forbid BT and their subsidiaries (similarly for other telecoms companies) from disclosing information about their activities. If you want to get a feel for what is possible look more closely at the Israelis, they are past masters at this kind of thing. GSM encryption used in mobile phones isn't secure, but the security people rarely bother with hacking into the transmission because it is easier for them to connect into the the network nodes and pick up what they need.
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Re: government agencies have full access to Vodafone’s 400 million customers

How do you tap into optical cables?
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Expose the fibre by removing some of the plastic sleeve. bend it slightly over a curve, then attach  a reading device (cheap), decode the output. The bend causes the fibre to slightly leak its signal. The whole process takes about 20 seconds to perform and is difficult to detect.  I've had it demonstrated to me by a security bod.
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How do you tap into optical cables?

Ask GCHQ they are the experts of such deceit