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WildRose52
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closed topic 3

User deleted.
This being due to not only `lack of interest`
but also what I now call : `rudeness by
members` here :
http://community.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,84171.0.html
One day people might just learn their error, whilst my
intentions were good - but whilst members here appear to
prefer some silly topics rather than serious issues which
affect us all - then I dont need your hints - and I certainly dont
need your rudeness - and in future I shall post elsewhere,
where such topics ARE appreciated for their value.
thank you.
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pierre_pierre
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

dont worry the National system has failed, it doesnt work
David_W
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

For people like me with a medical history, including major lung operations, having my records available in other parts of the country should I be on holiday there could only be seen as a good thing.  If for some reason I was unable to answer questions about my previous medical history / doctors, the doctors there knowing which medication I'm on, what operations I've had etc. could only be a good thing for my own personal care.
For people with no underlying medical condition however, I can't see any reason for them to be on a medical database, it's not in anyones best interest to know that 15 years ago person X suffered from an ingrowing toenail.
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

Only last year, Mrs Petlew was taken ill in Devon whilst on holiday and taken by blue-light ambulance into Exeter hospital 250 miles from home. Who were wonderful, but with her complex medical conditions it would have been so much easier to have her records to hand. I'm very used to these events and try very hard to remain calm and level thinking, but with the best will in the world I can't remember everything in a stressful situation.
The obvious concerns about the security of government computer systems (when they're working) gets one thinking. But however, what possible use would medical records be to a hacker or lost on a train...providing of course that it is only medical records that are being kept. 
We will I think not be opting out.
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WildRose52
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Denzil
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

But you are not sharing your history with the world - just doctors who have access to the database. Chances are your details are already kept on the surgery's own database, and how do you know how secure that is?
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I cant help but wonder whether the masses of sheeple generally dont all have a serious medical
condition already....  a black-out in their brain which prevents them from hearing the truth.

No, I think most people are just being realistic. That's the problem with these kind of theories - people see them as "truth" when really there is little evidence to support them.
pierre_pierre
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

the Wife and I both have medical condition, the Wife has to carry a copy of here records at all times.  We both have U-Tag  http://u-tag.co.uk  on it we can store photos, copies of ECG, and other records, medication, next of kin etc etc.  it is on a waterproof metal cased USB Flash on a neck chain
Plug it into - unfortunately widows and it auto runs, the update section is password protected
this is what the results look like http://www.utagice.com/software.html
Lurker
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

How would you put such info onto a chip, or into your wallet, or onto a bracelet?
The info would have to be stored somewhere, in order to copy it to such a place.
Its more secure to leave it in *just* that place, rather than copy it.
End of argument.
WildRose52
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pierre_pierre
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

do you know what the BBC do report on Micro Chips  you dont have to search other dubious places http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7110105.stm
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

I'm not certain you understand what you are suggesting.
Each argument you put forward seems at odds with your previous argument.
A second ago you suggest people carrying the info - now you seem against the idea of carrying the info. :?
PS - You shouldn't think of 'chips' as a place to store medical records - they are merely a place to store a unique identifier.
This unique identifier can then be used by *any* organisation that wants to use it to associate data with you.
e.g.
Oyster cards do not store a balance - they simply have a unique identifier that allows TFL to look up your balance on their system.
The same principle would apply to medical records - and it will happen whether you like it or not. (You may notice that when you visit the doctors, your notes are held on computer already - just currently they are only at one surgery, and not accessible elsewhere.)
So yes - you can continue quoting fairy stories to us about numbers of devils or three little pigs or whatever you were on about.
You won't stop the sensible majority from having the convenience of being treated more safely at whichever surgery or hospital they arrive at though.
Naturally - it is your nose, and you are welcome to cut if off if you have a grievance with your face.
David_W
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

I think maybe you are under a miscomprehension over what the database actually is.
If I were to go to Wales and be involved in an accident, I dunno, a sheep fell on my head, not that flying sheep are common in Wales you understand and I was rushed to the Royal Gwent (where I was born) the doctors there will not have my medical records on hand, they may not know I have a fatal allergy to "removal of sheep from head" medication so they would have to get in touch with my surgery down in Cornwall to access my medical records which would then have to be sent up to Newport, so eventually the doctors in Gwent would have my medical records from my doctors in Cornwall.
Now, after I've had my treatment for the sheep related injury, I may require further treatment down the line, or I may now have a condition which needs to be monitored, something like that, the hospital in Gwent would give me a piece of paper to hand over to my doctor highlighting the treatment I received which I would then have to give to my doctors down here, but it doesn't give all the information, just a general "what was wrong, what we did" kind of thing.
With a database, the people in Gwent would take my name and d.o.b. as well as where I live which would bring up my NHS number (which everyone already has) and allow them access to all my medical history.  They would see my allergy and plan my treatment around that.  Once my treatment was completed they would enter the information into the database which my doctor in Cornwall would then instantly be able to see and plan further treatment (if required).
The information contained in the database, due to the nature of it, would *never* need to leave the computer system in a data form, it could be printed out but there would be no reason for it to be transferable to a USB stick or a DVD, so the odds of anyone finding the records of 100,000 patients on a train is remote to say the least.
There is also the medication issue, I'm on medication which may not play nice with other medication, it may prevent the medication from working, or have a really bad side effect, my head could explode or whatever.  Now the medication I'm on may be simple medication which isn't worth putting on a tag, but my doctor knows I'm on that medication, when I sit in his office he'll bring up my medication and it shows my history, and what I'm on, if he tried to add bad medication to my prescription the computer would say "no".
RFID chips though?  Implantation?  I'm not really sure where you're going with that.
pierre_pierre
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

not really secret but this is some of the info on my u-tag
Midnight_Caller
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

Quote from: WildRose52
I can see certain benefits for ppl with serious medical conditions or if they had an accident.
However, what I would respectfully ask you to consider is this :
How long might it be (especially if breaches in security occur) that they`ll then say :  `would
be better for you to carry all your info on an implanted microchip`  ?

You don't need a implanted microchip you can do what I do, I have a UTAG In Case of Emergency Digital Dog Tag Identification
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Not for me to advise others what to do -  but I will say this :  please think carefully least you
regret later what its going to lead to.      I can see it - others cant.

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I`m sure a serious breach in security could lead to many things.
Am I not right in thinking that each of our Medical Records is strictly private -  not even a husband,
wife or partner can demand to see someone else`s Medical Records.
Yet you`re prepared to SHARE that private info with the world ?   hmm....

You are 100% right.
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Lets just think here....   just a couple of scenarios......
What if a married man went to his doctor - said he`d had a one-night stand - suspected he might
have caught something.    Wrong as that is -  he wouldnt want the world to know about it.
If an unscrupulous person got hold of it -  it could easily be used against him (black mail)
What if it was a young femaile - gone to docs asking for an abortion unknown to her parents (as so
many do nowadays)
Again, as wrong as that is, would she want that info leaked.
Same as above, she could be black mailed.

And both of them are possible with this.
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Not only that whats to stop any unscrupulous people or Companies targeting you based on what
they believe your medical needs might be ?      Can anyone say:  advertising ?  both online and off.

That is one of my biggest fears with this, it is like letting the genie out of the bottle wants out how do you get the genie back in the bottle?
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Medical Records are private - between you and your GP.
Up to others if they say they are prepared to share it.

Yes Medical Records are 100% private and it is up to the patient, not the Ddoctor or the NHS.
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Just a thought :  what is wrong with carrying details of your medical condition in your wallet, or there`s
even bracelets which can contain such important info.

Watt I agree with 100%, and that is what I do already.  Smiley
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Ironically the more many of us warn ppl the more they lash out at the messenger.
I cant help but wonder whether the masses of sheeple generally dont all have a serious medical
condition already....   a black-out in their brain which prevents them from hearing the truth.

I agree with 100%
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People only need to ask themselves, when it comes to that Child Database being planned.....
if the children belonging to MPs and G.B. are not going to be on it....
and the children of celebrities are not......
then WHY NOT.
If its that safe....   what is there for them to worry about ?
Answer :  they know darn well that NONE of the databases are secure.

I agree with 100%
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But you are not sharing your history with the world - just doctors who have access to the database. Chances are your details are already kept on the surgery's own database, and how do you know how secure that is?

The doctors surgeries database is a closed system, so it is secure.
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I cant help but wonder whether the masses of sheeple generally dont all have a serious medical
condition already....  a black-out in their brain which prevents them from hearing the truth.

No, I think most people are just being realistic. That's the problem with these kind of theories - people see them as "truth" when really there is little evidence to support them.

Dream on.  I am going to wate and see how secure this database is, so me and by lass are opting out of this.
Dam pierre you beat me to the UTAG  Embarrassed
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Re: NHS Medical Records - THE BIG OPT-OUT

Well, as someone under the care of the NHS, i'm pleased  that when I have a test in hospital, the specialists an my GP's can both easily access the data, an the specialist can see if my GP has one any blood tests etc.
I fully understand the data loss concerns - I'm not ignorant of such things, but maybe people who are very fit can have the luxury of moaning about loss of privacy. But I welcome the ability of the doctors to quickly accessing my information.
But of course - i am also aware of the seemingly endless list of government computer system that seem to go wrong, I was involved in one on the sidelines.