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Yet another mass killing

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Yet another mass killing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27562917
Will the US now change it's gun laws?
Absolutely not as they will still feel the need to protect their right to arm themselves in the style of the military.
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itsme
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Different this time as it was a British born doing the shooting.
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Despite the gun laws in this country we are still not immune to acts like this.
Very sad and there are no simple solutions.
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Will the US now change it's gun laws?

No!! The gun lobby is too powerful in the US. They can exert pressure at all levels of government to prevent any change in the law.
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How could banning guns prevent such things ?....criminals would still get guns.
Hitler, Stalin and others like them banned the public from owning weapons.....then the mass slaughter began.
I agree that people have the right to bear arms....we see how Communo-fascist America is becoming, an armed population can resist and if necessary destroy a criminal government gone mad.
Government should fear the public...not the other way round.
As always, it's the lefty communo-fascists that always want to disarm the public before they start murdering millions.
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ahh but they have come to realise that a semi armed population is better as you get the loonies that go postal and drop half a few dozen in a random act of madness, that foisters the advertsing revenues and boosts part of the economy, you have the death rate just about right for helping to keep the populace from becoming too large to support (given all the gun related homicides and gang violence on top of the mass spree's) the reason the government resist the urge to disarm the public has far more to do with the very real need to not become genocidal despotic regimes to keep the populace in check, it also keeps the spread of deaths across society so theres a health balance between all groups instead of artificial culling's
gun laws are about right across the US, its the UK that has things backwards, 100 years ago the UK wasn't invaded because everyone had free access to weapons and would willingly defend there own homes (the Kaiser's advertiser's petitioned him not to extend across the channel for this reason alone) if the same thing happened today they would crush this country and we would as a population be powerless to defend against it.....
whilst its unpalatable to agree with random killings (and its not a desirable facet of a civilised society) they are a necessary evil to slow down the advent of starving millions which will happen within the next 100 years when the population grows past the point of food production, already most countries ship in foodstuffs from the vast agricultural backwaters in African countries.
the random spree killings will get more regular as more people are afflicted with psychosis as natural order attempts to slow down the relentless march into oblivion of the human race, and whilst nobody wants them to happen on a personal level many people agree that they are required as there is no selection process, the only other options are everyone in xyz category gets disposed of by the state or we start WW3 and don't stop until every country has lost at least 50% of its fighting age population .....
neither of which are considered as viable for long term stability of the human race .....
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ahh but they have come to realise that a semi armed population is better as you get the loonies that go postal and drop half a few dozen in a random act of madness, that foisters the advertsing revenues and boosts part of the economy, you have the death rate just about right for helping to keep the populace from becoming too large to support (given all the gun related homicides and gang violence on top of the mass spree's) the reason the government resist the urge to disarm the public has far more to do with the very real need to not become genocidal despotic regimes to keep the populace in check, it also keeps the spread of deaths across society so theres a health balance between all groups instead of artificial culling's

Another rant not based on fact.
It is not the government that want to keep guns but the people. I was in the States recently at the time of a school shooting. Obama tried desperately to use the incident to get support to control guns. He didn't get the support. The people, backed by the NRA, made it clear to their representatives they wanted none of it.
As for your rubbish about guns keeping population under control, do you really believe that? In 2013 there were 11,419 deaths from guns in the US in a population of 318M. That's 0.3% of the population. Hardly an effective control method!!
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(the Kaiser's advertiser's petitioned him not to extend across the channel for this reason alone)

Do you know which advertising agency the Kaiser used?  Saitchi and Saitchi possibly  Grin
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As always, it's the lefty communo-fascists that always want to disarm the public before they start murdering millions.

You mean like they did in Japan? The government really set to work on the citizens there; Japan is like a ghost country since they got tough on guns.
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He stabbed 3 of them, so who is to say if guns were not available he wouldn't have simply stabbed more or used his car as a weapon, he was a seriously messed up kid.
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Certainly was a messed up kid, according to newspaper reports he was or had been in Therapy, if that is the case then the therapist should have had some indication of what his mental health was like, it's not uncommon to find that following some incident like this the killer was a social loner, expressed negative ideas about the world, watched porno and violent videos etc.
Clearly this could still not predict that he would do something like this but for a trained therapist the warning signs should have been there.
and yes I know there are many people who are social loners with negative ideas harbouring perceived grievances again the world who watch porno and violent videos and do not go and kill someone but if you do the research into it this is just part of the picture and with some killers it's not a matter of if,  but when.
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I agree that people have the right to bear arms

Yet you're talking about the right to own a gun - how many Americans actually have Bear Arms in their houses?
(sorry - couldn't resist!)
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It guns on their own do not kill people.  It takes a deranged person to point it and pull the trigger.
This is an unusual case in that the guns were legally registered.  Usually guns used with criminal intent are not registered, a fact often forgotten and makes the UK gun laws rather farcical, as they do not stop their use by those intent on crime.
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In 2013 there were 11,419 deaths from guns in the US in a population of 318M. That's 0.3% of the population. Hardly an effective control method!!

I make that 0.003% of the population
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It guns on their own do not kill people.  It takes a deranged person to point it and pull the trigger.
This is an unusual case in that the guns were legally registered.  Usually guns used with criminal intent are not registered, a fact often forgotten and makes the UK gun laws rather farcical, as they do not stop their use by those intent on crime.

UK gun massacres, Hungerford, Dunblane, and Cumbria shootings were with licenced guns of the shooter. I can't think of a mass shooting in the UK with illegal guns.
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Just an observation but it seems illegal guns are used by criminals so as to avoid detection whereas those who committed the mass killings appeared to want to either go out in a blaze of glory and/or be recognised for their crimes.
Gun control would do nothing in either case unless a total ban on all legal guns were made and in that case only the latter may possinly be reduced Undecided

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