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Welcome to UN agenda 21 and the NWO

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Welcome to UN agenda 21 and the NWO

                                                                   UK Parliament comes to an effective end

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On the 1st November 2014 the right of Parliament to legislate over us in 43 areas, the important ones, will be removed and be made subject to approval. They call it QMV, Qualified Majority Voting.
Each member State will lose it right of Veto over these areas, so Cameron’s idea of  negotiation to recover any areas goes out the window at the same time.
The following areas of competence will switch from requiring unanimous approval of all member states to qualified majority voting only:
Initiatives of the High Representative for Foreign Affairs – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Administrative co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Asylum – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Border controls – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Citizens’ initiative regulations – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Civil protection – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Committee of the Regions – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Common defence policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Crime prevention incentives – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Criminal judicial co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Criminal law – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Culture – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Diplomatic & Consular protection – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
Economic & Social Committee – Nice: QMV Lisbon: QMV
Emergency international aid – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon: QMV
Energy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
EU budget – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Eurojust – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
European Central Bank – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
European Court of Justice – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Europol – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Eurozone external representation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Foreign Affairs High Representative election – Lisbon: QMV
Freedom of movement for workers – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Freedom to establish a business – Nice: Unanimity Lisbon QMV
Freedom, security, justice, co-operation & evaluation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
General economic interest services – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Humanitarian aid – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Immigration – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Intellectual property – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Organisation of the Council of the EU – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Police co-operation – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
President of the European Council election – Lisbon: QMV
Response to natural disasters & terrorism – Lisbon: QMV
Rules concerning the Armaments Agency – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Self-employment access rights – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Social Security Unanimity – Nice: QMV; Lisbon: QMV
Space – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Sport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Structural & Cohension Funds – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Tourism – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Transport – Nice: Unanimity; Lisbon: QMV
Withdrawal of a member state – Lisbon: QMV
A brief review of the Treaties confirms the Transitional arrangements which allow, only on specific votes, for the Nice Treaty Provisions to apply from 1st November 2014 until March 2017, hence I imagine PM David Cameron’s determination to delay our referendum beyond that date, tying Britain for ever within the non-democratic, totalitarian and now clearly despotic EU.


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the right of Parliament to legislate over us in 43 areas, the important ones, will be removed and be made subject to approval
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don't forget to mention that those transitional arrangements don't actually take effect until 2017 because of protocol 36, so the original 2007 rules as are currently used (signed up to by tony the backstabber Blair), the only change that applys from nov 2014 is that QMV levels change from a fixed 255 + votes for to a majority share of 75% of total population votes, the full Lisbon treaty that's due to start in 2017 requires only 55% of population weighted votes for, so in all actuality the Lisbon treaty has been in force for 7 years and changing from a fixed number of yes or abstention votes (which are carried as a yes) from 255 to a 75% of council must vote yes is actually a better plan, we all vote for MEP's and so far all those spankers from UKIP that have been either voteing yes or abstaining from voteing have actually been gifting us all the BS from the autocratic regime.
by all means post stuff that's actually worth knowing but seriously stop posting UKIP propaganda that isn't even correct ...... the 2017 negotiations will change all this anyway, and if they fail to get the changes required the UK's exit will be a sure thing, as it stands the UK cannot leave the EU without the remainder of the EU agreeing to it with a yes vote of at least 255 members ......so despite what farage n co claim they cant make any changes to membership status unanimously ....
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as it stands the UK cannot leave the EU without the remainder of the EU agreeing to it with a yes vote of at least 255 members ......so despite what farage n co claim they cant make any changes to membership status unanimously ....
That is completely incorrect. All the UK needs to do is to use Article 50 http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-European-union-and-comments/title-6-fin...
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Article 50
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
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@nanotm,
We can't leave the EU without the remainder of the EU agreeing to it with a yes vote of 255 members ?
Absolute cobblers, the decision to stay or come out of the EU  should rest with the  resident population of the UK, that's what's known as democracy unfortunately Cameron feels his opinion that we should remain in the EU is more important than what the majority think.
With luck UKIP will hold the balance of power and force a referendum as soon as possible.
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article 50 gives nations the chance to say they would like to leave it doesn't provide them the ability to leave unless the other members agree to it, it doesn't provide the ability for a nation to unilaterally decide to leave, never mind any considerations on how you would like to trade with the EU in the future,
never mind that its unelected officials who get the decision(s) and not the elected MEP's who might vote the way their own country wants.......
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Why don't you read the actual article instead of spouting rubbish
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@nanotm,
I would be surprised if  anyone else on the forum puts the same interpretation. On article 50 as you do.
Why do you think this might be ?
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I've read it, I've even heard Farage say it doesn't allow a country to leave without the consent of the other members, so i'll take my interpretation of it as being correct particularly since it clearly states
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2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
laymans terms:
you can tell us what you intend and we will tell you if and how you can do it
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4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
laymans terms:
once you tell us what you intend to do your not allowed to take part in discussions about anything until after we make a decision on weather or not to agree to your intentions and if so how to agree to them

@ge
perhaps because most people prefer to bury their head in the sand and blindly believe what populist politicians tell them particularly when they don't understand what they actually mean because a few minutes of cross referencing the various articles is too much hassle
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Why do you always quote selected bits without the crucial part
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3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
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Extract from Article 238
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The qualified majority shall be defined as at least 72% of the members of the Council representing Member States comprising at least 65% of the population of these States.

How many members would that be....just curious.
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Why do you always quote selected bits without the crucial part
because clause 4states you don't get a say in clause 2 or 3 once you complete clause 1 so the unanimous decision is made for you not by you if you are the nation making the notification, and because clause 3 indicates the time limit can be extended ad infinitum which keeps you a member of the EU but removes your ability to have any say in anything
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No it doesn't
It states
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unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

So the 2 year is an absolute deadline unless the member state - in this case the UK - agrees to it being extended and even then that can only happen if the European Council agrees unanimously that it can be extended
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The principal of a member state withdrawing from the EU is very straightforward - Section 1 of Article 50 states this.
The practicality of withdrawing is something completely different and would be extremely complex. Sections 2-3 of Article 50 cover this, where there would need to be lengthy negotiations over things like the freedom of movement of workers, common agricultural policy, trade with other member states etc.
To put into context - there are 1 million+ EU citizens living in the UK. What would happen to them? This is where the negotiations would need to take place.
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It amazes me nanotm how you claim to be dyslexic and cannot read / write properly yet somehow you understand legal legislation and european policies better than anyone else Crazy Do you actually realise how that makes you look?
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Why do you always quote selected bits without the crucial part

because clause 4states you don't get a say in clause 2 or 3 once you complete clause 1...

OldJim wasn't asking about particular clauses, he was asking YOU a question about why YOU always leave out bits that you don't want to deal with / understand / bother with. YOU have then started bambling on about clauses of some bit of legal legislation.
Thats like me saying I only watch ITV because the government of Iraq only buy weapons from the Russians - even though you asked me what my beef is with BBC radio 1  Crazy
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