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We can't afford anything... Maybe this is why

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We can't afford anything... Maybe this is why

MoD paid £22 for 65p light bulb
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Defence Secretary Liam Fox described it as "inexcusable" and evidence of a waste of taxpayers' money by the previous Labour government.

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Defence chiefs are also said to have paid £103 each for screws, believed to be on sale online for £2.60.

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Ellis
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MoD paid £22 for 65p light bulb

I would want precise details before jumping to conclusions.
Say, a computer stops working and you call an engineer to it. He fiddles around for half an hour and puts it right. 0.5hrs plus call out fee and you get a bill for £75.00. what did he do? Moved a few connectors with no spares involved. And you happily pay up. Is that any worse, than if the MOD had to call out someone to replace the lamp which could have been 5metres high. You have to realise that journalists are renowned liars, at best, they distort the truth.
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I certainly wouldn't say the computer scenario is worse in fact its far better.
We can all change a light bulb. The government has become carried away with its health and safety rubbish and no-one can change a lightbulb in the workplace unless they're trained gibberish.
It's pathetic. I also heard they were paying £75 for a box of photocopier paper too - which you can pickup for less than a tenner in most places.
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The accompanying pic appears to show a low energy bulb (Phillips Softone?) which would be nearer £3·50 than 65p. Still nowhere near £22, granted.
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I would want precise details before jumping to conclusions.

Yes, me too.
I noticed the quote:
"But you can pick them up for 65p each"
Which conveniently ignores that "picking them up" takes time, effort, travel etc.
How much DOES it cost the MOD to send a soldier down to B&Q to buy a light bulb - more than £20 I'll wager?
I wouldn't  be surprised if the contract they were ordered under has some standard order/admin charge built in which if applied equally disappears for big items (million-pound tanks) and looks ridiculous on cheap ones but is there to cover genuine costs.
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The Ministry of Defence has dismissed newspaper reports that it has been paying more than £20 for light bulbs that can be bought for 65p elsewhere.
It insists the bulbs are highly specialised parts for a radar system.
A MoD spokesman said: "It was a precision-made lamp filament for the Watchman radar. The MoD purchases about five per year."

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There's lies, damned lies, and statistics...... then journalists  Lips are sealed
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Lies, damned lies and MOD denials!
The above linked article now reads  "The MoD at first insisted the bulbs were highly specialised parts for a radar system, but later said the thrust of the Sun's story was correct"
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MoD pays £150,000 to pulp Afghanistan book after bureaucratic blunder.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8360276/MoD-pays-150000-to-pulp-Afghanistan-book-afte...
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Fucking ridiculous. And yes for the purposes of those who see it saying censored that was the F word.
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I think the question should be, who would charge £65 for a lightbulb in the first place?  The story is probably missing great detail "the light bulb in question was flown out to a nuclear submarine because it's the light that turns on when a nuke is about to launch" or something.  No matter how inept a store may be, someone somewhere has to sign a requisition order and if they signed it with a asking price of £65 then maybe questions need to be asked, like what is so important about the light bulb?  If it was a specialist light bulb then yeah, £65 could be reasonable, if however it was a bog standard energy saver, why was it signed for and who sold it so we know to avoid the cowboys in the future.
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Read above about the MOD confirming the sun was correct and FYI I would expect a machine as complex as a nuclear sub would have more than enough spare parts on board - and even if they didn't it would cost far more than £65 to get a lightbulb to them  Roll eyes
Seriously who woud charge £65 for a bulb? - People who know they can get government contracts obviously. I suspect most of the MPs have shares in these companies too.
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I understand this light bulb was fitted under a Private Finance Initiative.  These high charges are very common in such arrangements.
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The profit margins on MoD contracts have always been high. There is a local company that does wiring harnesses for the MoD and that make a tidy profit.
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i can't wait for GP's to in charge of procurement in the nhs...specially when they'll have shares in the spin of companies
conflict of interest there?