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Ukraine.

Seems strange to me that nobody has posted anything about the "troubles" in Ukraine.
Not been following it much on the news... just the occasional report, but it seems to be escalating towards a very serious punch up between Putin and the west...... again...
This morning, I heard Paddy Ashdown say that the Russian Stock Market has collapsed.... and Putin had better take note of this....
He probably has... and is just waiting for his brokers to advise him to start buying up cheap stock in a week or so, ready for the inevitable resurgence of prices.... He would be able to " make a killing"... and become one of the most powerful richest people in the Russian Federation....
Anyone got a few quid to lend me?
I`m particularly thinking of Russian Oil and Gas shares..... (and where does most of eastern europe get their oil and gas from? ) 
Which brings another arrow to his bow.... he has the power to cut off supplies ( or severely restrict them, at least ) if he doesn`t get his way with Crimea...
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Cool Europe may be on the brink of a civil war that could make the Balkans look like any late night in Leeds, but there are far more important things to worry the barbarian hoards: For example, who won Oscar for best Oscar acceptance speech, whether another celebrity Oscar who suffered a psychotic breakdown and shot the hottest blonde in the Transvaal, many times, did so thinking she was a black man, and, is Susanna Reid's ex-husband really that "fit and toned"? And somewhere in the noise is the UKIP spring break.
Sad btw the Russian 'stock' market is made of worthless Bitcoins. As for Gas shares, buy Centrica today as the wholesale price of gas will spike within the next week. It always happens. Global strife = Centrica profiteering.
Huh As for Sarah Palin [remember her], did she predict the invasion years ago as she claims? Well maybe if the Ukraine is Uruguay.
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Turned on BBC News Channel to get Ukraine update and all one gets is Pistorius trial with a load of boring legal technical mumbo jumbo in a horrible accent  Cry
BBC should get priorities right.
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its probably going ot go one of two ways,
option a  (probably the preferd option given the state of the worlds economies) a new cold war begins over diplomatic and military differences on regional governance all be it with a new set of red lines drawn on the map....
option b a lot of media coverage and then nothing much for a few years until someone reports that the x year war is still going on and thousands of rebel/guerrilla fighters have just been boxed up ....
there is a third way that would be the mounting escalations of military powers until full scale slaughter was achieved (although that wouldn't be possible unless the UN was dissolved) with all sides fully committed to yet another oil/gas/land grab ....well that's likely to happen anyway in the future given that so much of the gas and oil used in Europe is piped in from Russia....
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
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Quote from: shutter
Seems strange to me that nobody has posted anything about the "troubles" in Ukraine.
Because we are all out buying supplies to take to the underground bunker we just made :p
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The Russian stock market fell by 13% this morning.  Russia is in a very bad financial state and this could be the only way the West can exert any pressure on them to sort out this problem. They need us to continue to trade for their financial survival. Their financial situation hasn't been helped by the recent cost in staging the winter Olympics.
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that's why a new cold war would boost there ailing economy, it would also boost other problem economies round the globe, like that of USA and the PIIGS or Japan where the latest tech innovation and mass market production to be used for surveillance or counter surveillance, all so that they can literally print there way out of debt without hitting the disastrous hyperinflation bubble, of course such a crash avoidance measure can only be manoeuvred into if they have home based manufacturing systems available which will mean dropping all the super cheap overseas manufacturing systems.....
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
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its probably going ot go one of two ways,
option a  (probably the preferd option given the state of the worlds economies) a new cold war begins over diplomatic and military differences on regional governance all be it with a new set of red lines drawn on the map....
option b a lot of media coverage and then nothing much for a few years until someone reports that the x year war is still going on and thousands of rebel/guerrilla fighters have just been boxed up ....
there is a third way that would be the mounting escalations of military powers until full scale slaughter was achieved (although that wouldn't be possible unless the UN was dissolved) with all sides fully committed to yet another oil/gas/land grab ....well that's likely to happen anyway in the future given that so much of the gas and oil used in Europe is piped in from Russia....
Option C.  your call up papers are in the post ! Wink
Thunderclap
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Cool History teaches us that what goes around, comes around.
We [British] have already been back to Afghanistan to fight another war. We have also been back to Iraq to do the same And within the next decade, our troop [singular] may be deployed to Crimea to win another bogus peace. r I could be wrong and we're going back to Suez instead.
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Today's events have had the effect of pushing the ruble to its lowest ever rate against the US $.
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So it's a good job for the oligarks that Russian oil and gas is valued in dollars.
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Cool History teaches us that what goes around, comes around.
We [British] have already been back to Afghanistan to fight another war. We have also been back to Iraq to do the same And within the next decade, our troop [singular] may be deployed to Crimea to win another bogus peace. r I could be wrong and we're going back to Suez instead.
If the number of people we have in the Armed forces continues to fall at the same rate it has done over the past 10 years we will have no troops to send. !
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No good if the oligarchs can't get their hands on it though.   Wink Wink As I said earlier this could be sorted by the financial situation. As they say, money makes the world go around.
nanotm
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you do realise that Europe doesn't actually need the pipeline from Russia for its oil/gas, its only been getting supplied by them because it worked out politically expedient for everyone if the then bankrupt hyperinflated Russia at the collapse of the cold war was "helped out" in order to prevent a Eurasian war (which would of been the only other way) from ensueing over the inability of the then USSR to produce enough food and employment for its burgeoning population, the collapse of communism saw them spending USD in Moscow because the ruble required re-issueing as a new currency (it got to the point where it was tradeing at 15,000 ruble to the USD when they suspended tradeing)
the media never seems to be very accurate when reporting such matters though

@Gleneagles
well its possible they would send me such papers but not until they start making bionic body suits in order to overcome the problems caused by prior service ......
just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you
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Cool Ruble or rubble? You decide....
The Russian Federation's gangstership knows that after Syria, there are no red lines and no consequences. Maybe Just William Hague will return to London holding a piece of paper signed by Putinsky saying he won't invade? I suggest the Ukraine cuts it's losses, dumps it's ethnic Russian provinces on Moscow, joins the EU and becomes very prosperous, on EU subsidies.
What goes around: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War