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UKIP MEP on Climate Change

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How the **** does such an ignorant pratt come to get elected?
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Unfortunately, people vote for him, which says a lot!  Angry
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The people who deny that climate change is occurring and that mankind is contributing to it are usually not basing that view on examination of the scientific evidence.
Sadly the MEP makes some valid points. There are also exaggerated claims being made by believers in climate change. Al Gore's film does contain serious errors. The hacked East Anglian University emails do raise questions. Only the other day it was announced that there was no scientific basis for the claims made about the rate that a glacier was receding.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/20/himalayan-glaciers-melt-claims-false-ipcc
Both sides should be gathering good evidence to present to the public. If they continue with lies, exagerated claims and speculation people will disbelieve everything that they are told and rely instead on instinct like the MEP who says that it is cold here so global warming must be untrue. (Australia on the other hand last year recorded its second highest temperature since high quality records began). By choosing one piece of evidence and ignoring others one can prove/disprove anything.
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An interesting article from a while back here
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6390929.ece
Sadly MEP's are not so visible to us as MP's - I've never seen one canvassing - and they don't communicate with their constituents.
Although I am a supporter of the EU in principle - it's organisation leaves much to be desired. But people like Bloom just seem like self serving parasites. In politics to raise their own profile and get what they can out of the system.
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This is the New Zealand paper he was referring to http://www.climatescience.org.nz/images/PDFs/global_warming_nz2.pdf
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Whatever happened to the flat Earth society - surely they have a place to put these global warming deniers!

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As a Global Warming Sceptic can I make one thing clear - the vast majority of us do not disagree that global warming is happening we disagree with the supposed settled science that CO2 emissions are the major cause and that the forecasts of doom taken from the Climate Models are valid. We also worry about the amount of fiddling which has taken place with the historical dataset.
This graphic clearly shows what GISS have done to the USA data over the years.
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just to add grist to the mill - or is that fuel to the fire  Grin - here are two graphs.
The first from the Hadley Centre and the second the raw data - also from the Hadley Centre but graphed using Excel - the second doesn't look quite so frightening does it.
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I think that the fact that the average temperature appears to be increasing is indisputable.  The question is, what's the cause?  I hear all sorts of arguments, usually from zealots on both sides, about cyclical change (the south of England had a Mediterranean climate 2000 years ago, and in the 60's a new ice age was the big worry), but the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has grown over the last hundred years, and that could cause an increase, but volcanoes throw out more CO2 than we ever could, but ....
It's very difficult to divide the wheat from the chaff, especially since both sides seem to exaggerate their data to suit their own arguments. Crazy
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My 2 pence worth.  What lots of people fail to realise is that technically we are still in an Ice Age, as long as their is ice on the polar caps we'll continue to be in an Ice Age.  The thing with Ages is that they tend to, quite naturally, end, which could be the issue here, we're coming to the end of the Ice Age so the Earth is naturally shedding ice.  Another thing to take into account (which again, many people don't know about) is "global warming" is an incorrect term, it's "planetary warming", the mean temp's on several planets in this solar system has risen recently so we're not seeing global warming, the entire solar system is getting hotter which would account for a rise in temp's on Earth, and I'm sure mankind's use of CO2 isn't effecting the temps on Mars.
We don't really have enough data to support or deny man made global warming, the only evidence we do have about pollution is when the industrial revolution started and countries started to pollute the skies, the average temps on Earth actually dropped due to pollution.  Give it 100 years of data on global temps taking in all the evidence from the other planets too and then you may have enough data to make an informed decision, taking data which is not designed to support a theory to support a theory is pretty wrong.
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Quote from: hulls
but volcanoes throw out more CO2 than we ever could, but ....

John not sure I agree
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studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually.

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This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.

from  http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2007/07_02_15.html
But I agree the average tempreture is increasing, but its also increasing on Mars
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/research/2007/marswarming.html and http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece
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As a point of interest............................. how many human beings were around when the last Ice Age started to melt? 
and  "how many of them, drove cars, rode in buses, flew in aircraft, had electric light generated by fossil fuels, etc etc etc? "
NO... it is not "human beings", that are causing  so - called "global warming",  except in the offices they run which need an excuse to raise taxes to "combat" global warming....
hmm, now there`s another thought..... more taxes.... means people will need to earn more money,.... which means they will have to work more.... which  (according to the scientists and politicians) will create more greenhouse gasses, which in turn will cause more global warming, which in turn will mean more taxes, which will mean people will need more money, which will mean...... oh ... you work it out !
The dinosaurs were killed off by "global warming" Huh?  not human beings.... therefore..... global warming is an "evolutionary process" not a "revolutionary process"...

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The sceptics generally point to things like volcanoes, sunspots or other natural phenomena as an explanation for the increasing temperature. The thing is, all these things have already been accounted for by the scientists, and they don't fully explain the increase. Add man-made CO2 to the models and everything suddenly matches the observed figures.
The graphs may only show a small rise in temperature, but even a small rise can have a dramatic effect. The recent cold weather is irrelevant. Global warming may well mean that the Gulf Stream shuts down, and we get snow on the ground all winter as they do in similar latitudes elsewhere.
Sure, there is no proof of man-made global warming, but given the potential consequences, why do we need proof? Surely we only need a reasonable probability to take action.
What is the downside of taking action anyway? Even if we turn out to be wrong, and it is all natural, we will still end up with cleaner energy, better insulated houses and so on. We can't keep going as we are. Demand for fossil fuels is going up just as supplies are starting to run out. They won't last forever, so best to start looking at alternatives now.