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UK Could Be A 'No Smoking Nation' By 2032

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UK Could Be A 'No Smoking Nation' By 2032




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Senior doctors and anti-smoking campaigners have told Sky News they are working towards making the UK a no smoking nation within the next 20 years.
Leading specialist Professor John Britton has called on the Government to back the goal, describing it as entirely realistic.

http://news.sky.com/story/979382/uk-could-be-a-no-smoking-nation-by-2032
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Leading specialist Professor John Britton has called on the Government to back the goal, describing it as entirely realistic.


Obviously not had a look at how much tax the government would lose, and how much income tax, (or others) would go up to compensate ..... Roll eyes
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And it would take quite a few years for the 'financial' health benefits to filter through the system.
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That`s because, like all governement schemes.... it will be done using smoke and mirrors !  Cheesy
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@Strat - the gains made by not treating smokers for smoking related diseases will be lost (well, more than lost) by the fact smokers will start to live longer and therefore require more care.
As it is now, us smokers spend a fortune in taxation, each pouch of baccy is 50 grams so there are 20 packs to a kg, the duty on a kg of baccy is £164.11, a pouch of amber leaf is £15 so 1kg is £300, now I'm unsure if it's a double dip VAT like on petrol, let me check... yep, appears there is something called Ad valorem tax added to the retail price (16.5%) and then VAT duty added on top (20%).
So that £300 has 16.5% tax which is £49.50.  Then VAT which is £60.  So it's £164.11 + 49.50 + 60 = £273.61 so the tax rate on ciggies is around 93%.
Statistics show that 10m people in the UK smoke, amber leaf is pretty much the cheapest tobacco so these figures are very, very low end.  If we say that each smoker smokes a pouch of tobacco and they smoke it in 4 days, we have say 91 pouches per year smoked.  £13.65 is tax so that's £1,242.15 tax per person per year.  If we multiply that by the 10m smokers we get £12,421,500,000 per year in taxation from smoking.
Obesity costs the NHS say £4b a year, smoking costs £5b a year.  So the taxation from smoking alone is more than enough to pay the NHS costs for smoking AND obesity with a bit left over for MP's expenses, okay, £3.5b, alcohol costs £6b a year to the NHS so if we remove obesity then smoking can pay for smoking related costs and alcohol related costs to the NHS.
Now, if we remove smoking then the NHS saves less than £5b (long term smokers with future health problems, things which are currently attributed to smoking but where smoking is only a secondary cause, things like pollution could be a primary factor etc.) then the government needs to find the £8b (estimate) from smoking lost.  Though my figures are pretty low end, a quick google search says smoking nets err £12.1 billion, I was actually right oddly enough.
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Oh dear, what a load of (toilet mess) that is.
I guess the smoking rates must have fallen even further since they banned vending machines in pubs and supermarket displays Laugh.
I'm a non smoker myself, but at least I can feel safe at night knowing the real problems are tackled.
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@ David W - can't really agree with your sums as I doubt that 10m smokers do roll ups  Wink
I gave up nearly 25 years ago but SWMBO still smokes so we cross border shop for baccy in Belgium.
50g of Amber Leaf is £4.50 so saving is £10 per pouch. We also save about £20 per 200 carton of cigarettes.
As an aside I've just bought SWMBO an E-Lites starter kit and first impressions are good. Looks like electronic smoking could be the way to go  Smiley
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Of course if you really want to be depressed put your numbers in here http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1633429/Calculator-tax-pay-beer-wine-cigarettes-spir...
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I can't see how that statement makes any sense.
The UK had nearly/or had abolished various diseases, drink driving had dropped dramatically, and I hardly ever saw anyone smoking.
But that all changed completely with the vast influx of eastern Europeans and other immigrants.
The way things stand the UK could only become a no smoking nation if Europe and the rest of the world does it first.
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@nadger - true, but I figured it would be swings and roundabouts to get a pretty close figure to what the actual figure is with the tax on 50g of tobacco over 4 days being the same as the tax on 80 ciggies over 4 days.  I don't actually know how much a box of fags cost, let me go see (gosh I remember when it was 99p for 10 B&H... was only a few years ago).... £7.41 for 20? Seriously?
Okay (£7.41?!?!) tax is £167.41 per 1,000, 7.41 * 50 = £370.50, 16.5% taxation on that is £61.13, VAT is £74.10 and tax is £167.41 for a total of £302.64 in tax per 1,000 or £6.05 tax per box of 20, if a person smokes 20 a day, over a year the tax is £2,208.25 which is almost twice that of rollups - which is what puts my (very) low end estimate into the low end.  If all 10m people smoked 20B&H a day then the government would make £22b a year in tax from smokers, enough to pay for 1/2 the nations defence budget.
Let's put it in the middle though between the 12b and 22b which is £17b a year in taxation from smokes, though the government claims to lose £2b a year from people who dodge the tax so that'll knock it down to £15b a year, still a significant amount of dosh to be made from taxing smokers so high (enough to pay the entire budget for police, fire, courts, prisons etc.).
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What's the difference between an organisation that manufactures tobacco products for it's users and one that produces heroin for it's users?
Just a thought.
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Tobacco is taxed and heroin isn't
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Depends on how you define heroin I guess.  If you define it by it's proper role it's a medication it's used for treatment of pain (diamorphine) which is something I myself had after my lung collapsed (the doctor was evil putting the tube into my lung, it didn't take the 5 seconds it does on Casualty, it took at least 24 hours - or felt that way), as well as morphine after lung operations.  So the difference is that heroin can be misused by people who may then require treatment from the NHS to treat either the effects of taking a dangerous drug or getting off the dangerous drug after paying no tax on the drugs so it's an out and out loss to the NHS where smoking is profitable for the NHS?
There is also the problem of withdrawal from heroin, stop smoking and you may get cranky or put on weight, but you can just stop if your willpower allows, stopping an heroin addiction....
Symptoms may include: sweating, malaise, anxiety, depression, akathisia, priapism, extra sensitivity of the genitals in females, general feeling of heaviness, cramp-like pains in the limbs, excessive yawning or sneezing, tears, rhinorrhea, sleep difficulties (insomnia), cold sweats, chills, severe muscle and bone aches; nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, cramps, watery eyes and fever.
Then we get to tolerance, heroin you become tolerant to the effects, like sleeping pills, so you start to need to take more to get the same effect which you eventually become tolerant to, with smoking you generally get to 20 a day and stick to 20 a day, you don't need 30 a day, then 40 a day until in the end you're smoking 100 a day.
Quitting heroin by going cold turkey if you're a heavy user can result in death, quitting smoking by going cold turkey results in a longer life span.
There are many, many differences between recreational A class drugs and a ciggie, personally I hate morphine, it makes me vomit the following day.
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Quitting heroin by going cold turkey if you're a heavy user can result in death, quitting smoking by going cold turkey results in a longer life span.
Interesting point that but not 100% correct.
Back in the bad old days (mid 60's when just about everyone at work seemed to smoke) one draughtsman who smoked Capstan Full Strength (a heavy smoker as well) was told by his doctor to give up because of health problems. He did but the side effects of nicotine (I assume it was that) withdrawal were so severe the doctor told him to start smoking again  Roll eyes