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U.K. Says Laws Permit Mass Spying on Residents Online

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U.K. Says Laws Permit Mass Spying on Residents Online

The loophole is that UK GCHQ can spy on Internet traffic that has a base overseas, ie mostly in America.
For example, US and EU Based servers...
Facebook, Google, Twitter etc
Widely discussed on the UK News Tuesday.
And in the WSJ
http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-k-says-it-can-justify-mass-spying-on-residents-internet-searches-14...
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Re: U.K. Says Laws Permit Mass Spying on Residents Online

These social media sites are obvious targets for the Spooks, but self defeating if they are using them to track terrorists. As with Osama Bin Laden and mobile phones, the bad guys will avoid using such obviously monitored sites.
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For example, US and EU Based servers...
Facebook, Google, Twitter etc

Add GMail to the list.
And Amazon too !
And many Tech sites, including Apple...
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Re: U.K. Says Laws Permit Mass Spying on Residents Online

If GMAIL is on the list, why have they not arrested / eradicated the spammers off the servers ?Huh
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Because they have different priorities?
Add anything you Google, or Internet search to the list, perhaps even more relevant.
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Quote from: TORPC
If GMAIL is on the list, why have they not arrested / eradicated the spammers off the servers ?Huh

Because they don't reside in this country - so they can spy on your google searches because you live here and are communicating with a server abroad and that's any server without any form or warrant or permission - but don't give a stuff about spammers.
and we thought the Stasi were bad..
httpseverywhere and vpn are going to need to become the standard tools we all use to any form or privacy.
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Re: U.K. Says Laws Permit Mass Spying on Residents Online

Time to start injecting random lines from the anarchist's cookbook or the quran in to my outgoing mail headers.
I already have
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The contents of this message, and communications between the sender and their receipients, are protected by database right, copyright, confidentiality and the right not to be intercepted conferred by section 1(3) of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000. The use of those contents and communications by Internet Service Providers or others to profile or classify this message, or its users for advertising or other purposes is strictly forbidden.
on all outgoing mail, for all the good it does.
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given that the powers that provided the ability to do all this were advertised before they were voted into being I don't understand why it keeps making the news......
VPN's wont stop you getting monitored, in fact they flag your use for investigation, TOR etc aren't a viable method of avoiding detection (everything on there is viewable to the people with the keys) thats why so few threats have been actualised in the last decade but plenty of people have been held under prevention of terrorism laws (most get tried under other laws though)
every time the papers focus on just how much snooping is permitted (the EU court ruled that any nation could monitor any and all traffic that crosses its borders without need for a warrant) it makes it that little bit harder for the security services to do there job, the end result of all this will be a new 7/7 or 9/11 perhaps on a move devastating level than those relatively minor results (based on the numbers injured versus total population as opposed to the mass panic those attacks caused)
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Re: U.K. Says Laws Permit Mass Spying on Residents Online

BBC News:
UK intelligence service GCHQ can legally snoop on British use of Google, Facebook and web-based email without specific warrants because the firms are based abroad, the government has said.
When someone searches for something on Google or posts on Facebook they are sending information overseas - constituting an act of external communication that could be collected under a broader warrant which does not need to be signed by a minister
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27887639
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and it still isn't knew news, it was reported on in y2k before they voted on the powers of the bill, it was reported on in 2001 as capability was missing to perform the roles in the wake of 9/11, that lead to the contract for BT to create DPI (deep packet inspection) which got installed in every data centre in the UK and causes a 6ms delay in communication speed as everything is "checked" (and it caused problems with a few online games hosted overseas)
but nothing about what has been headline grabbing news in the last few years is actually new and its all been splashed across the papers over a decade ago when privacy groups were advocating it as it protected "internal communications", all this nonsense now is because data retrieved was utilised in apprehending persons of interest under operation yew tree  something that PI and its splinter group PIE are both aghast about what with a fair number of there key members getting scooped up for there paedophilic proclivities, its only "new" to the immigrants who failed to read the published statutes when the moved here and the vast amounts of idiots who cant remember having be informed of such things 14 years ago........
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Re: U.K. Says Laws Permit Mass Spying on Residents Online

If the loophole is that they can read anything that goes abroad, that's a pretty big loophole: what's to stop them routing any packets they're interested in through a line that briefly crosses the border?
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You mean like how all of Level3's traffic will go to France and back?
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that very idea was specifically required as part of the prevention of terrorism act and after much arguing the scope of any Intel gathered by doing so was limited to anti terrorism issues, a decision that was also backed by the EUC and also by P.I./P.I.E.
as I said its not news its just dredging up stuff with a new spin on it, and the general public didn't give two figs back in 03 the last time it was openly debated on in parliament because 90% of people still had no idea what the internet was or how it worked.....
indeed it gets a bit more interesting when you discover that traffic must leave the UK boarder and for that very reason off shore rig platforms were investigated as possible locations for data centers where backups /cheap servers could be hosted .....instead they ended up just sending all traffic generated in NI via routing points in Eire often using nothing more than a port forwarder box on the Irish side of the boarder.......
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Re: U.K. Says Laws Permit Mass Spying on Residents Online

Wouldn't it be interesting if likewise some of the servers in the numerous phone hacking trials were abroad.
Would that make it an acceptable practice?
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Re: U.K. Says Laws Permit Mass Spying on Residents Online

Cool The data theft that GCHQ(Serco) is undertaking on behalf of the United States on the pretence of "terrorism prevention", is harvesting the activities of people far outside the jehadist dynamic. Journalists, politicians and business people can all be regarded as persons of interest, to US special interest. Yes, the ordinary citizen has nothing to fear, because they have nothing worth monitoring.