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Trident acceptance, or Labour dead in the water?

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Trident acceptance, or Labour dead in the water?

Well after yesterday's confused address by shadow defence secretary Clive Lewis, confirmation that they have little choice but to sit on those hands of support for unilateralism - anything else, and Labour would have been unelectable and dead in the water.

Wise move guys, I hate the damned things as much as anybody but getting rid of them would them would be utter madness, as well as political suicide. 

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Re: Trident acceptance, or Labour dead in the water?

Even without the confusion of Trident Labour is finished, you only have to listen to the stupid proposals they put forward to realise that is the end for them.

They can put forward all manner of daft things knowing full well they will never get into power and may even be lucky to remain as the second largest party following the general election.

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Well having lived as many here have through the years of Blair and Thatcher during which time both oppositions seemed to be in an unelectable backwater, never say never.

The Blairites only got the support they did because of ditching what most of us thought of as Socialism and rebranding themselves as New Labour - which of course is the reason for all the soul searching now going on within the rank, file, and what's left of the top table members.

Corbyn echoes my own ideology but is wrong on Trident, neither is he Prime Minister material - but there you go.  

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Re: Trident acceptance, or Labour dead in the water?

I guess there are lots of people who would love to see an end to all wars and it's not easy seeing dead and injured children on the news following bombing by all sides in the conflict in Syria.

It would be great for everyone to have a home and get a minimum wage irrespective of circumstances, the NHS providing quick care for everyone etc but sadly it's not going to happen much as we all want it to and most sensible people understand what they would like to what can be achived are two different things.

Sure we should work towards such goals but it will take centuries, if ever.

There are no quick fixes and quick fixes is what Labour is offering, when they can agree amongst themselves.

There is also the small matter of where the funding would come from, their past history shows they are not good with money

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Their proposal to borrow an additional £7000 per head of population on top of existing government borrowing would lead to a collapse of the pound. That would lead to massive increases in the interest rate, perhaps even 15% baserate. This would massively increase our gov't debt repayment amount plus negative equity in the housing market and a consequent plunge in consumer spending.

Meanwhile they don't show a united front on Trident.

Sounds like a plan?

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AlaricAdair wrote:

plus negative equity in the housing market


 

Already too late for that, a lot of people have houses they bought at a higher price and have little to no chance of selling at that same price, my neighbour is about £20k into negative equity on their house simply because the bottom has fallen out of the market, and bearing in mind the houses here on this street are worth between £35k and 70k, £20k is a huge loss, which has meant they're stuck in the house for the foreseeable future...

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Well I listened to the interview John McDonnel gave from Conference yesterday and he gave no such proposal, unless I missed it. He did however do a lot of fence sitting and propose various reviews on just about everything he was asked to be specific about! 

Just finding their feet I guess but let's hope they can firm up policy PDQ otherwise they certainly will be disunited on no end of subjects and therefore unelectable. 

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Same as my daughter. Bought ten years ago slipped almost immediately into negative equity.

It all stinks of course.

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Well having lived as many here have through the years of Blair and Thatcher during which time both oppositions seemed to be in an unelectable backwater, never say never.  


This.

I personally think labour has completely fallen apart at the seams but then look what happened with the tories winning the last election despite all the cruelness they were imposing. Look at how the scottish voted to stay with us... and how we've voted to kick the eu beurocrats back in order.

There was a time when politics seemed reasonably predictable but these days everything has gone completely weird. Who thought the brexit thing would lead to the resignation of untouchable Dave? Who thought Ossie would get sacked and shoved out the back door in disgrace?

Corbyn has far more supporters now than ever and yet he still seems incredibly unpopular amongst1hose who claim to be looking after the interests of the public. New labour became about celebrity icon status and getting rich. The corbyn opposers are basically tories without tory support from what i can tell.

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Already too late for that, a lot of people have houses they bought at a higher price and have little to no chance of selling at that same price, ..


Depends where you live. We bought a large house in early 1980's in London and sold it about three years ago for a lot of money. The guy who bought it had it valued and it's now worth 150% of a "lot". I doubt that is an isolated incident.

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Top three priorities when buying a house,

1. Location

2. Location

3. Location

In the right location there is a much better chance of the price increasing over the long term, unfortunately the right location is usually more expensive thus the average person has to make a compromise and take what they can afford, or at least afford until interest rates increase resulting in the possibility they end up in a bad financial situation than if they had not bothered to buy in the first place.

Even those in private rented accommodation can be evicted if the landlord wants the accommodation back without giving a reason.

If it's from the high court they have 1 hour to get out.

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Top three priorities when trying to hide a Trident submarine.

1. Location

2. Location

3. Location

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Port William on the Falkland Islands

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Nah, under Putin's bed... Funny