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This is what the NHS should do.

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This is what the NHS should do.

Use programs written in java.

That way they can move their software from one operating system like Windows to another like Linux with minimal fuss.

It would also mean every other pc could run a different operating system so if something like this happens again they still have half of their computers usable.

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Great idea. Problem lies in the fact they have spent £MILLIONS on proprietary software that doesn't work like that, re-writing it and re-training would cost £Millions more that they don't have.

Some of them ARE moving away from proprietary software into s/w they have developed themselves, but it is still minimal.
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i read somewhere the problem was with their own software and was not compatible with win 10 , and needed to be rewritten 

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Re: This is what the NHS should do.

Well if they switch to java that should take care of the hardware and OS interaction - and thats the point. They can then upgrade with less hassle (in theory anyway).

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Oracle the owner of Sun hence Java is making moves to charge for Java Servers.  The Java Clients (desktop PC etc) will probably remain free. However it's been my experience that developers always use the latest version of Java on the server to make use of new features, then you have to make sure the Client devices are upgraded to the latest Java Client software.

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Another issue with java is having to have a specific version installed for a particular app/site. When I was doing some desktop support the finance people HAD to have version xyz installed, if they upgraded then the site wouldn't work at all.

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Given time, they could always write it all down on a piece of paper  Wink

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Java?? You need at least 128GB of RAM and a server-grade CPU to get that pile of useless code to work smoothly, most of the time it's been written so badly that you spend more time fixing the flaws or trying to find workarounds than you do using the product, not to mention Java is quite vulnerable to attacks and is often used as part of them too, so java can remain in the 1990s thanks...
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The NHS should swap over to a Thin Client/Server infrastructure  The desktops would then comprise a £150 processor clipped on the back of the screen. The "image" of the specialist business software is held on central server(s) and temporarily uploaded to the thin client when it is needed. It stops a load of tinkering by local users and updating software is a lot easier. There's no local copies of files to clog up local hard drives.

Next, for general office software, use Google Docs. It provides word processing, spreadsheet, email, presentation tools document storage and retrieval. There's no heavy investment in Microsoft software, no need for servers, and the software is always up to date. You just pay Google £3 a head per month and the job is done. Your data is held protected in it's own files.

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@AlaricAdair What is wrong with LibreOffice?  https://www.libreoffice.org/

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Steve wrote:

@AlaricAdair What is wrong with LibreOffice?  https://www.libreoffice.org/


Nothing. It's my default on Fedora Linux. But when it comes to public sector, it's the scale of the re-training to wean people off Microsoft that's the problem.

It's been done before mind you. Munich's government switched to Linux several years ago and saved themselves millions of quid in the process (since they didn't need to pay licences and what not).

It's ridiculous that our government and health service run on a foreign nations OS that is renowned for it's insecurity. We should have a dedicated OS built from FOSS for both government and public sector that we have control over the source.

At home, sure, people can use what you want... but in dealings were security is important we should be using the best tool for the job, not the easiest to use. Plus, I'm still bitter that despite my best efforts to avoid the Windows tax on computers I buy, tax that I pay towards the NHS goes towards paying to support a nearly ten year old obsolete, closed source, insecure operating system.

I also had to laugh at the BBC article about the "Global hunt for WannaCry creators". Like I said previously, it was part of a suite of tools stolen from the NSA. They just have to ask the NSA why they developed an exploit and then sat on it for so long without notifying Microsoft. Of course the reply will be something along the lines of mumble mumble national security mumble terrorism mumble mumble.

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AlaricAdair wrote:

Next, for general office software, use Google Docs. It provides word processing, spreadsheet, email, presentation tools document storage and retrieval. There's no heavy investment in Microsoft software, no need for servers, and the software is always up to date. You just pay Google £3 a head per month and the job is done. Your data is held protected in it's own files.


Google docs is too sluggish as it runs in the browser powered via javascript. You click on something it can take a second to do what would be instant on a local office installation. Then there is all the DPA issues of saving patient data to google office... plus you'd need a super google account or lots of separate ones. It's unworkable.

The thin client thing is up there though... and as most hospitals should really be using an intranet then it would be ideal - assuming the intranet server is not windows itself and hackable.

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Bah! Linux on Desktops is for bobble hat enthusiasts. There's always something which doesn't quite work right. Even Munich have given up on it. 

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"Bobble hat enthusiasts" Funny

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7up wrote:
Use programs written in java.


you're joking, yeah?