The planet can be saved

petlew · 30-08-2007

Gordon Brown has told us we have 50 days to save the planet...is that before or after Christmas?

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dvorak · 11-01-2008

I believe it's taken from the same report about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq...

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petlew · 30-08-2007

One of the doom-mongers favorite arguments is the navigation through the ice of of the North West Passage, which is possible now...shussh! don't shout it around but, it has been navigable since 1903-6 and routinely since 1934.

Experience; is something you gain, just after you needed it most.

When faced with two choices, simply toss a coin. It works not because it settles the question for you. But because in that brief moment while the coin is in the air. You suddenly know what you are hoping for.

dvorak · 11-01-2008

and global temperatures haven't increased in 11 years.
but that's not the point.

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Strat · 14-04-2007

and they are now talking about Global Cooling

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Oldjim · 15-06-2007

Temperature data from UAH

nozzer · 04-08-2009

Quote from: Petlew
One of the doom-mongers favorite arguments is the navigation through the ice of of the North West Passage, which is possible now...shussh! don't shout it around but, it has been navigable since 1903-6 and routinely since 1934.

Ermm.... it's the North EAST passage that's just becoming navigable actually, over the top to the Northern coast of Russia.

dvorak · 11-01-2008

And people believe what computer programs tell them. Duh.

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nozzer · 04-08-2009

Quote from: Strat
and they are now talking about Global Cooling

If the Gulf Stream fails, as the basic physics says it will, we'll certainly feel the chill. It's already showing a 30% slowdown in the last ten years.

James · 04-04-2007

Doesn't the gulf stream also determines the depression track, which is supposed to shift north during the summer months?
I'm only going on personal experience rather than having any evidence whatsoever, but the shift northwards seems to have been lesser over the last few years.

nozzer · 04-08-2009

No, that's the Jet Stream James. It's been more southerly in the early part of the year than usual which caused low pressure areas to cross over the UK, and more northerly in the last six weeks which pushed the bad weather over Scotland and to the north. The Gulf Stream is a flow of warm water that originates in the Bahamas area and travels past Britain to Greenland.

journeys · 24-09-2008

Jet stream seven day forcast can be found here: - http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp
We either want the red bit well north of Scotland or somewhere through central France.
The Gulf stream known also as the "North Atlantic Thermohaline Circulation" is the northern part of the northbound surface current, before the current dives deep off the coast of Greenland and heads back direct to the south Atlantic.
seen here http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GW_4CE_NATCGulfStream.htm
Good powerpoint description here
http://www.meteo.mcgill.ca/~tremblay/Courses/ATOC530/EuropeClimate.ppt

Just wish GB was not involved in Fixing climate change.

petlew · 30-08-2007

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Ermm.... it's the North EAST passage that's just becoming navigable actually, over the top to the Northern coast of Russia.

Yes, that as well, The Northeast Passage has been opened since the very late 1800's and regularly since 1935, mainly by Russians.
If you Google Northeast Passage there's a Hutchins Encyclopaedia entry for the history. Agreed western ships have only recently begun using it.

Experience; is something you gain, just after you needed it most.

When faced with two choices, simply toss a coin. It works not because it settles the question for you. But because in that brief moment while the coin is in the air. You suddenly know what you are hoping for.