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The feelings of people in Britain today

idlewis
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The feelings of people in Britain today

I would like to give you an insight of how I feel people are feeling today.  People were born in the late 60's and the 70's, we had old labour which brought us publicly owned industries such as telelphone, energy, public transport and directory enquiries then Maragaret Thatcher and the IMF privitised our public services making them more expensive and not much in the way of letting the consumer have a say and if they did it was done to make profits.
In 1997 Tony Blair came in and tried to do a third way by combining public and private sector industiries, loss of post offices, tuition fees and the Iraq war
Gordon Brown came in 2008/2009, we had people's taxes to bail out the banks and the record deficit.
David Cameron came in after the recent election saying to reduce public sector jobs, reduce dependent on walfare as well as changing constituencies.
I live in Glasgow and like many other cities and towns in Britain, I feel that people are getting fed up with life and with politics which is why at the moment people are throwing rubbish on the pavement eg. a bed mattress plus Dog litter and black bin bags left out on the pavements all of them on my door step, things that.they never done before and I have been living here since here since 1992.  In  Glasgow people rely on public sector and voluntary sector jobs.  People who live here will never get work in the private sector, so if there no public sector  or voluntary jobs , unemployment crime and drug rates will go up and athough I hate it , I undestand why they are pretty fed with things and doing things that they never have done before.
Glasgow is getting to be a more dangerous place to live due to the  public sector cutbacks and as a black person with anxiety and emotional problems who lives on their own  it will not be long before I will be scared to go out and due to my anxiety do things out of the ordinary. Cry
Ps  I think people in my area will not accept David Cameron's  Big Society either.
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magnetism2772
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idlewis
Everybody deserts a sinking ship
The Liberals are losing their core vote, its already at an all time low of 11 percent , and deservedly so
so no more coalition governments after the next election
the liberal party deputy Simon Hughes has already said it
the government cant afford to  let  things go into anarchy  - see line 2 -
if  Europe should need to step in to protect our personal rights , the government will have to obey
people will see this  happen
David_W
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I'm not really sure you can blame Parliament for the issues in Glasgow, surely that is the fault of the local council whose job it is to get investment?
Look at Plymouth, the council there is investing in shopping centres and whatnot, they rejuvenate areas which are run down, that is something that can only be done on a local level by the local council, it's not something that government can really do.  Yes, there is an issue now of budget cuts, but isn't the Scottish budget different to the English one, in that the Scottish government allocates the funds (giving free prescriptions, no tuition fees, free parking at hospitals etc)?
We can all try to blame the government for what ails us, but, we live in a free country where people are free to move.  If there are no jobs in Glasgow, why don't people move to areas where there are available jobs?  I live in Cornwall which is basically dependant on tourism to survive, I think we're the only county to not have a motorway (crazy, I know!) so if I wanted a good job with decent wages, I would have to move away from Cornwall, only I dislike cities so won't want to move to one.
The way I look at it, the word is changing again, we're going through (or have gone through) a depression.  We have a previous government who spent well beyond it's means so the conservatives (who are a low tax party) have to start slashing costs, does a country of 60m people really need 500k civil servants? I think not.  Once the deficit is down and our economy is stronger again, taxes will hopefully come down, but that is a long way away, we are in a lot of debt that is going to take a long time to clear up.
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..... I live in Cornwall which is basically dependant on tourism to survive, I think we're the only county to not have a motorway (crazy, I know!) so if I wanted a good job with decent wages, I would have to move away from Cornwall, only I dislike cities so won't want to move to one.
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No your not... don't have a motorway here on the Isle of Wight. We do have one dual carriageway though and the council have managed to get a short National Speed Limit section on it.
pierre_pierre
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Harlow had a town centre rejuvenation outfit, it was funded by the Regional Development Centre, this has now been disbanded by the ConDems, so the Rejuvenation has lost its funding and also closed - Harlow will stay a dump
pierre_pierre
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just found the press release  http://www.harlowrenaissance.co.uk/news-and-press/july-2010/the-future-of-harlow-renaissance.aspx
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The Board of Directors of Harlow Renaissance Ltd met on 1st Sept 2010. The directors noted the probability of much reduced funding from Members and Government, which can only be confirmed after the Comprehensive Spending Review is complete in October, and also the indication that no significant funding will be available from other sources. Accordingly the Directors have agreed that the company should work towards a cessation of activities by 31st March 2011.
thisoldman
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As someone who had the gross misfortune to be born in glasgow, i fully endorse the sentiments expressed by our learned friend and fellow subscriber,idlewis.
Glasgow is a sea of racial and religious bigotry.  If you are not a catholic or a protestant, then glaswegians look upon you as some kind of freak.
Alcoholism and crime are endemic in glasgow. The first words a newly born glasgow baby utters is either mcewans or f u.
Is it any wonder i took at the ripe old age of 16 to get the hell out of this demented city.
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I like a bit of unrest its about time the public opened their mouths. TBH I don't know why more hasn't been done as the British public seem to go up in arms over the smallest thing then just crack on with the big issues.
I been a limited company for the last three years, fought on through a recession without the loss of staff often at my own personal expense. Now just before Xmas last year there was no work in my field at all. The construction companies I work with were themselves paying off staff and using their own labour rather than sub contractors. At the start of 2010 there was definite signs of improvement and light at the end of the tunnel. Since this new government things have gradually slipped back to where it was.
Locally there should have been a hospital built and 2 academy's which even if I did not get to do it would have tied up my bigger competitors and left me the smaller>medium sized jobs. Since they are all on hold everyone is fighting over the littler jobs meaning that ultimately the man/woman off the street pays the price by either being paid off or working for less money.
So this government reckons that reductions in public spending will have benefits to the private sector, how? Take the example I have just mentioned, on top of that the cuts have affected my business my missus is a special needs teaching assistant, her job is at risk because of having specialised schooling for special needs rather than all mixed together. I appreciate there is an argument that the rest of the class could get held back obviously a stand taken by people who don't have special needs kids but you have to bear in mind how it is categorised and case needs can often be as simple as something  like epilepsy. Segregating kids that early on IMO will only lead to them not understanding what is meant by special needs. Not that this will be considered her job will always come down to the schools budget.
Then there's my business partners wife, she works in the local council offices in a department that is facing cuts so thanks to the new government that's two families who's lives could so easily be wrecked.
Now on the subject of relying on benefits, I have had people work for me who I have offered full time positions through the good times who were on part time contracts. They have actually refused the extra money/hours because it would affect their family/working tax credit so to some point I was agreeing with this but now I can see their point of view.
Ironically the system I have paid into for the last 22 years of my working life without claiming any benefits is soon to be stopped by the government who have put me and my family in a position where we may need there help  Angry
TBH this was the last year I was going to keep my business going, when I reached 40 I decided enough was enough time to do something else but I was threw a couple of bones that kept me going. Should the situation stay the same and I give up I will be screwing this government for every single penny I can. I can do this with a clear conscience knowing that they put me in this position.
So what does the government hope to achieve by this? the knock on effect is big its surely false economy. Yes they might save a few quid by shutting a department down but then for that they get two families all claiming benefits who need a roof over their head who don't spend much. Yep that's sure to make the economy grow  Roll eyes
My biggest gripe from all mentioned and one that's often overlooked is the fact that we are paying for a mistake made by the BANKS and the previous government. Why should we pay for their mistakes? If I was to have mismanaged my company funds to that extent I would be looking at a possible jail sentence and banned from being a company director for years.
Up the revolution it's a long time coming  Grin
magnetism2772
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My biggest gripe from all mentioned and one that's often overlooked is the fact that we are paying for a mistake made by the BANKS and the previous government. Why should we pay for their mistakes? If I was to have mismanaged my company funds to that extent I would be looking at a possible jail sentence and banned from being a company director for years.

the bank of England is now a nationalized  bank putting the government into partnership with the banking interests, guaranteeing their profits
the BOE is the lender  of last resort and lends to banks
so we now pay taxes to government  
and the bankrupt private banks can continue to  print/borrow money without having to stock the amount in cash
when there is a run on the bank the government will  loan to private sector banks at 0.5 % interest
the banks then loan it to us, that is the public at 3% plus
much  of the banks profits are privatized ,but with  the debts, much  has been nationalized and payed for by  public sector service  cuts
while the  government and the press keep telling us,  we as a nation have now overspent to much
well I   know I never spent  or ever borrowed to much  
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I agree with AverageWhiteBloke with the exception of the revolution. Look at the French, they killed off thier monarchy, hierachy and intelligencia and ended up with nothing but a rabble. On a serious note though, there are a number of issues in the original post. With regard to the antisocial behaviour, this is due to successive governments and local councils encouraging the lowlife to breed at a prolific rate. Benefits should be given to those who are ill or disabled, those who were employed but have genuinly lost a job and the elderly. For more than a generation tax payers money has been given to those who choose not to work and this is the primary area of antisocial behaviour and crime. I spent 30 years on council estates and am still shocked by the amount of money that is casually given to people who have never worked a day in their life. At the begining of this recession I lost my job and the Jobseekers office gave me 3 months to find a job at my old salary then 3 months to find a job at a lower salary and then my benefits would stop. This is after working for 35 years. I had to sign on every two weeks along with people who have never worked but they were getting benefits totalling hundreds of pounds a month. This is where it is all wrong.
With regard to the other issues there is no reason for someone throwing an old matress and rubbish in the road, that's got nothing to do with government cuts. People who do this sort of thing should be made to sweep the streets for 6 months in all weathers. I'm affraid a large percentage of the population has been brought up in households where self respect has never been known so they have no respect for anyone else. Why should they when they get money thrown at them for doing nothing but producing children.
Sidewinder.
magnetism2772
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I think the OP meant a  revolution  of economic ideas ,
its  happened  before
when old english imperialist  mercantilism ended for the more liberal 19th century approach 
what seems to be happening now is totalitarian capitalism
David_W
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If we look at two different ways the recession was dealt with, we should be able to find the "better" option yes?  In most of Europe we went down the route of cuts, in Ireland they cut too heavily which has put them on a spiral of requiring more and more cuts.  In the US they went with quantative easing, which puts the government in more and more debt with no effect on the economy, the government may be spending billions (trillions?) to buy their way out, but the flip side is that if it doesn't work, they go the way of Greece.
So which option is better?  Well, it is the cuts way.  We cannot afford to go further and further into debt, the first thing that would do is drop our rating from A+ to B or whatever meaning much higher interest rates (more debt) and we are a country that likes to keep a low spending deficit.  We need cuts *in the right places*, there is no way around it.  Until this mess has been sorted out, the country is going to suffer, but I'd rather short term pain from cuts rather than long term pains from debt.  The people in the US are going along the route of having a deficit of 200% GDP, imagine how long it's going to take that country to repay it's debt!
Yes, it's very hard now, especially for smaller firms who have to compete with larger firms for jobs the larger firms would tend to pass over, with cuts being made lots of people have to suffer the brunt of it, and it's hard to swallow after so many years of Labour chucking money at any problem without really fixing it.  Eventually the economy will recover, taxes will go down, new jobs will be created, but it's a long term thing, it cannot happen over-night.  But on the bright side, the government isn't getting massively in debt with no tangible benefits resulting in a much longer lasing regime of cuts.
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We need cuts *in the right places*

They have to find the middle ground on what needs to be cut without compounding the problem further. I believe that the cuts proposed are not ones that will benefit long term and they should look elsewhere to get our money back not off the man off the street.
Quick example, due to official secret act I can't mention anywhere in particular but it was an immigration centre that I did some refurbishment work on. Now this was a new build which was originally open plan office space, it was then decided to re-fit out the interior partitioning to create smaller interview rooms to give applicants more privacy. I'm down with that, that's fair enough would you want to explain in front of a load of people you want to live here because you were raped in your home country and would be killed if you stayed. No.
After the re-fit someone realised that the brand new beech curved desk and drawer sets would not leave enough room in the interview rooms for H&S reasons. They tried getting local second hand office equipment to take them but the paper work involved was going to take weeks to sort out and no one who worked there would take responsibility on a decision as what to do because of this countries policies on taking someone to the cleaners if they make a wrong decision (exception being MP's) and the storage would have been a fortune.
Someone gave the order and 40 of these desks were smashed up and put in skips with a value each of just under £1000.00, that's 40k of mine and your money down the drain with out missing a beat. All the people that worked there were already discussing possible job losses that had been handed round in a letter.
It's like they're penny wise pound stupid. They look for cuts that affect peoples live and the economy but seem to totally ignore savings right under their noses because everything these days is tied up with paperwork, legislation and made up manager titles who just got a title with no actual power.
For a start Trident, how much do we need a nuclear deterrent? Yes there are threats from other countries but we are part of Nato right. I'm sure our American special friends would fire something at someone if anyone threatened us  Roll eyes
Who would know if we didn't have a top secret nuclear submarine capability? by it's very nature it's top secret. The Soviet Union got away with over egging it's capabilities for 40 years, seemed to work for them. The enemy if you can call them that are generally fighting on their own door step using weapons knocked together out of things found round the home or left over weapons from previous conflicts. How effective would a Trident missile be against a farmer with an AK47 or a disenfranchised young Muslim in Bolton?
Lets scrap the Trident program and bluff it and let's get our boys and girls back home instead of fighting an un-winnable war that's now been going on for 2 thousand year without any movement in either direction. The boys and girls have by far exceeded what was asked of them and to leave them there now is doing them an in justice.
Two clichés spring to mind "Hearts and Minds"and "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink" what gives us the right to police the world, just get used to the fact that other people don't live like us. Respect that and hope they respect the same with us, if not fight them but fight them over here with our rules what they do over there is their business. Great Britain and the USA are historically the worst offenders for everything we claim to be fighting against. Difference being we do it with a cheeky little grin that everyone loves  Smiley Senior advisor's have even told the government that if anything we are at a greater threat level than ever before.
We have an unelected government fighting a war no one clearly wants. If I want to save a few quid the first thing I look at is the not necessaries, socialising, drinking and indulgences. I don't start with reducing the food in my fridge or not having things like house insurance. 
Before our government starts putting people out of work there are things that could be done and after that if we are still skint then yes some people myself included may have to suffer.
On the subject of teenage kids, they are what they are. It's part of life's rich tapestry, older people should frown on them it's the law  Grin I don't suppose there is any difference between one coming in now off their head on whatever household products they get there highs on these days or me coming in with long hair high on LSD in the late 80's or somebody coming in with a quiff skin tight pants drunk in the 50's we all grew up and changed as a person. Some people didn't and served lengthy jail sentences.
So as the post intended that is my feelings of Britain today, it's been emotional but very therapeutic to get off my chest, now I better get some work done or I can't get some tax money in for this poor unfortunate government who have inherited this nightmare. AWWW poor lambs fancy that eh. Roll eyes  Just get on with it, you wanted to manage the country so start managing it.  Grin
magnetism2772
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the problem government have paying off the debts in the financial sector through  the bank bailouts by the bank of England is two fold
although the bank of England , the central bank , is nationalized , the government didnt have any money to pay for it
so the agreement reached with the bank was , government borrowed money at interest from the bank for all its funding.
government effectively bonding taxpayers to pay back loans to private shareholders in a countries nationalized central bank
the  private shareholders of the bank  would always be responsible to back their printed paper bills and loans with gold
if there was a run on the bank say during times of war etc
since 2008 government has borrowed multi hundred billions from private banks,  increasing the public debt
Government had to increase  public sector  borrowing , to fund all the banking bailouts
the banking debts are substantial , some forecasts say it could take 30 years to get  to where
we were before the bank crisis...
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Yeah it's crazy. That's what makes the whole thing a bitterer pill to swallow, not only are we getting our pants ripped off the fact that it's not our fault and the people who caused the problem are benefiting from it.
Nothing riles me more than the Banks vain attempts to make out they are public friendly these days with endless TV adverts making out they are the peoples banks. They open on Saturdays because they listened, they should be ok leaving the hours they had because that many people will be out of work through them so can call in any time.
Then you hear of whistle blowing head hunters that are still offering massive salaries to bankers to encourage them back from other sectors but disguising their actual salaries in share schemes and bonds etc to spare any embarrassment to the government. All this from banks that if you were to put your savings in would be worth less in 12 months time than it was when you put it in. Banks to me these days are marginally safer than keeping money in your house. No one has ever broke into my mothers house and stole money in her 80 years but the Bradford & Bingley wiped £3.5k off her shares while she left it in their hands  Shocked Who the thief  Roll eyes
Don't get me wrong I'm a get on with it type of person who just likes to sound off  Grin I know it's life and we just have to get on with it best we can and we are a lot more fortunate than other people but living in Britain these days and probably a lot of other countries can get a bit sickening, especially the amount of people's live that have and will be ruined by a small greedy privileged sector of the UK industry who dragged us all unwittingly into a stupid get rich quick scheme that blew up in their faces and left us to pick up the pieces.